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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I figured something was not quite right there but you weren't being a gobsh*te - so no need to apologise.

    It certainly shows, to me anyhow, that we have a good, safe and stable life here in Ireland in comparison. Yes, it would be some world if the biggest scandal anywhere was just a few dodgy politicians and some skangers on the take.

    Religion has a lot to answer for... I have a faith, not a religion. And no, I don't believe in God. I believe in something far bigger... But the history of Jerusalem and the shock I got on the Via Dolorosa was genuinely impactful - but only from the historical perspective.



  • Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ Faith Steep Comic


    “Religion has a lot to answer for”

    Agreed. Organised religion has been an absolute curse on mankind. The sooner its consigned to the dustbin of history, the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    So Israel says 61% of deaths in Gaza are civilians.. And the numbers given say that around 61% of deaths are women and children. That means Israel simply views every Gazan man to be a member of Hamas. Is it any wonder there are so many deaths.

    It is beyond my understanding of the world that people can support this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I don't know if this has been posted before but it needs traction.


    Earlier this month the Israelis introduced a practise of forcing palestinians who have legal work permits for Israel to all wear number tags.


    They were detained for 3 days some have obvious and hideous open wounds.


    The tags have numbers.

    These workers CANNOT be hamas they are allowed to work in Israel they are from the west bank and they cannot be criminals they would never have been released.

    They still have their work permits they were not revoked. Israel is expecting all palestinians in Israel to wear them.


    Bear in mind this started a month ago. Its only going viral online now. It was deliberately silenced.


    This is genocide.


    This has been fact checked

    ITS TRUE





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Hamas is not an army it is the equivalent of Sinn Fein the equivalent of the IRA is the AL QASSAM brigades. And no they certainly do not. Al Qassam brigades have no access to aid. The Al Qassam brigades are said to have about 50,000 members. Normal rank and file hamas do not know who they are. Much like the normal rank and file of SF are never quite sure who the IRA might be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Advisor to Netanyahu on the humiliation of prisoners


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Many of the Photos do appear to have been faked and as of yet the IDF has not confirmed a single sexual assault on that day.


    Am I denying ? No. Denial is too strong a word.


    All I am saying is we dont know what happened on that day.


    However we know that IDF tanks arrived hours later after the attack and shani louk was still alive as she was pictured next one. This picture mysteriously got lost. This means she was alive HOURS after the attack first happened.



    Also the pictures of her in the truck appear to have been doctored.



    Look closely at the men in the truck at the pic online.


    In the first picture they are wearing boots. The second picture they are wearing sandals??


    Also they are not wearing balaclavas. Al Qassam brigades always wear balaclavas like the IRA. Hamas however like Sinn fein go about with plain clothes. These men are showing their faces. They have changed outfits in the second photo. Not to mention that the legs of the poor girl are obviously photoshopped.

    Al Qassam dont show their faces they have uniforms and they dont wear SANDALS.. in a combat zone?? why the fake photo? Also the legs of shani were proven to be photoshopped and the real position revealed. Its obv an entirely fake photo.


    Manufactoring consent requires dehumanization. What better way to do this than accuse someone of heinous things.


    THIS IS WHAT AL QASSAM look BELOW like they ALWAYS wear balaclavas LIKE YOU KNOW THE IRA .. and every palestinian LOOKING at the guys in that truck will know THEY CANT BE AL QASSAM ... why would they show their faces?? Now either they are RANDOM palestinians who just HAPPENED to change their shoes for a second picture in the truck?? Or ..its a stitch up.

    Untitled Image

    THINK WE ARE IRISH


    SINN FEIN = HAMAS

    AL QASSAM = IRA =BALACLAVAS

    Post edited by ILoveYourVibes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Can we not distinguish between Al Qassam and Hamas? I mean we are IRISH .. if the yanks started to call sinn fein the ira or vice versa we would laugh.



    Secondly the IDF have not confirmed any rapes. And as I showed above there is altered photos. I mean come on ..


    Also you know the IDF has an official policy to rape arab women in some regiments?? In Israel palestinian prisoners are regularly raped and tortured. I mean they make palestinians wear number tags now!





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    You must have missed the link to an elderly Gazan lady saying exactly that on AJ no less. Aid is taken into the tunnels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    That wasnt what she was saying. It was fake subtitles. Native speakers have corrected it.


    You wont fool the irish.


    And since you dont even know the difference between Al Qassam and Hamas maybe do some research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    The journalists from BBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington post, guardian (links on previous page) must be all wrong 😏

    The lengths some go to excuse the inexcusable is staggering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Feel free to point out where I wasn't honest; the contention from @end of the road was "Rape is policy of the IDF." Not proved. The key word is 'policy.' Like, there's a book somewhere given to IDF trainees on how to rape.

    You can't. Because EOTR's position is dishonest.

    I asked EOTR to provide examples after it said "Many, many...". So far, nothing. And EOTR, if you followed the abortion thread, has lots of prior art showing it to be, politely put, economical with the truth.

    HTH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    For those who say there was mass rape on OCt 7 i think you need to realize the IDF has not confirmed a single case of rape and no woman went to a rape crisis centre nor had swaps. Strange.


    Oh and one woman make the most accusations was found out to be a facist who has said over and over that she is proud to be racist. It kind of discredits her to me.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    And they retracted it. Besides can you trust she is not paid to say it?


    Why know Israel lied about 40 beheaded babied about the rapes. We know Israel shot its own people on the day and most of the damage done was done by Israeli weapons.

    We know Israel has bombed and killed some of its own hostages rather than neogtiate.

    They make palestinians with legal work permits wear NUMBER TAGS in ISRAEL starting a month ago.

    I dont trust a word out of an Israeli spokesperson's mouth.


    They are taking vengeance for their grandparents. Not for anything else. And it needs to be stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    I've suggested to peers who are on about Ireland's solidarity with Palestine that we should take in a few hundred thousand refugees to help out.

    You can imagine the reactions...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Anyway Israel is getting bored it wants to have a war with lebanon and Iran now.


    Also that sucks for us because Irish soldiers are in Iran. I would say they will pull them out soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    While the hostages are still being held the war is 100% justified, yes that means civilians will be killed but in the middle east if you look weak your done for. Look at what happened after the Arab Spring, instability and brutal civil wars that have no end in sight.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    They can't even show us some hamas uniforms to make it look convincing.


    Strips guys down they some how have ONE rifle?? DOnt give them clothes back??


    Still doesnt explain why they make palestinians with work permits wear number tags in israel now?? And no Israel spokesperson will condemn it. They will contextualize it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what part of the middle east were you in, and for how long? Because I spent several years there, and I can vouch for his story 100%.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    You would of thought they would of took the gun off him before he was stripped. They even released 2 videos of it and messed up

    hamas.jpg


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    No you can not.


    Palestinians with work permits are made to wear number tags in Israel.

    This has been fact checked.

    This cannot be denied it has been fact checked and verified. You cannot say they are hamas they were let go and they have LEGAL WORK PERMITS.


    You can see from the video that they have open wounds.


    Being asked to wait for hrs at check points is usual. Being beating is common.

    Even ex IDF members admit this.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mj4OpHEmzk&t=1686s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,612 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    "I have to admit it's embarassing reading back my previous comments which could have been more sensitive to the feelings of those with relatives or friends in Israel"

    I thanked your post, but to reiterate, thanks for saying this. You should know though, and I'm sure you do, that it's insensitive to anyone who has ever been raped or sexually assaulted and not believed to make comments like that. I don't think you would do it in normal circumstances so maybe ask yourself why in this case you thought it was ok? Also, I'm sorry if I was kind of harsh with my replies to you. I think if you could see my posts over the past 10+ years, I always stand up for women and never condone or minimize rape. I'm not "hasbara" or whatever some people were insinuating earlier in the thread. And I agree with you, your friend and his family shouldn't be executed for the actions of Hamas.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    And why do palestinians legally working in Israel WITH WORK PERMITS have to wear NUMBER TAGS AROUND THEIR ANKLES?


    And you realize there is now audio of hostages saying they were injured in the Israeli bombing themselves ??

    First two minutes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    They are obviously fake videos. Most of the men have been identified two at least were UN workers. Two were only 15 yrs old. And one was a UNWRA school director. But dont you know according to the ISRAELIS the UN is run by hamas now. Oh and so is the irish govt apparantly and if they nuke gaza they are going to sent the remaining palestinians here. FROM AN ACTUAL ISRAELI MINISTER.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Partly paranoia and fear due to constant attacks I'd imagine and the rest right wing nonsense from the current Israeli government.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,963 ✭✭✭jmreire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I am more worried about people in Israel being sent into a meat grinder by netanyahu for him to avoid an election because he knows he is done for. 500 IDF soldiers have died.


    This war is just prolonged to keep him in power.


    And the IDF now admits it has bombed and killed some of its own people it had to because one of the hostages gave out about being injured by israeli bombing on audio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Of course from a security point of view I can see the need to make sure none of the suspects has a suicide bomb,but what purpose did videoing it all serve .

    Was it done for propaganda purposes to humiliate the prisoners and put it out that Hamas members are surrendering en masse? In other words a psych op.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Rubbish if they were afraid they would withdraw the work permit. Or not let them out at all.


    Its pure dehumanization and mind control plus to get us to excuse it like you just did.


    Israel locks palestinians up all the time they have thousands of them many are kids locked up with no charges. They would do that easily if they were genuinely afraid. And considering they are already being blamed for having known about the OCT 7 attack for more than a year there is no way they would take chances.


    And how would NUMBER tags make things any safer? Dehumanization.


    They were all tortured too.


    Its the way palestinians are just generally treated in israel.


    Its been fact checked.

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-israel-detained-placed-212500054.html



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