Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You do seem to only want to talk about the crime of rape by Hamas. like solely, and only seemed to have joined boards to discuss it looking at your post count. As much as I dont agree with the Hamas apologists your posting history is very suspicious to any casual onlooker.

I don't know the full circumstances of this particular incidence, but from what I've seen, I think that the IDF surrounded an area, and herded in everyone they found on the streets into a small area, told them to strip down to their underwear, and either lie down or kneel down with their hands on their heads while they were checked out. They did it this way because of the situation, where they were in an active war zone, there were too many of them at that point to arrange transfer to jail / prison etc. That would come later, I'm sure. So, they checked them out on the spot. And speaking of de-humanizing them, there's not much humanity in any active war zone, which is where they were at the time. How many of the IDF taking pics etc. had family members or soldier friends killed or injured before (or during) that action?

Oh you haven't seen a single personal testimony? Maybe because theyre all **** dead or kidnapped or according to some reports, receiving intense psychological treatment. And yes, survivors have recounted witnessing rapes and sexual torture. Did you read the accounts of the state of some the bodies? It's very unlikely to go through that amount of sexual torture and live to tell the tale.

And we don't really need victim accounts when the video and photo evidence is there to see. It's not "a film made by Israel", that's an attempt to make it seem fictionalised. It's the footage that the Hamas terrorists livestreamed of themselves raping, murdering and torturing. And before you say "well we don't actually see anyone being raped" a la Owen Jones...so what? The families are obviously reluctant to share that but the forensic evidence speaks for itself and has been verified by the BBC

Which bit?

Hamas have plenty of food and supplies. They get first dibs and stockpile large amounts of aid meant for Palestinian civilians.

Your point being?

Hamas are scum. Idf as well.

You do realise the Israel is committing genocide? You do right? If you say no, you're happy with executions. Are you?

You've lost me there. Its all true.

Unless you're talking about another post?

I was describing where I lived - I don't quite understand "there is nothing fair" bit? What's not fair about me explaining where I lived in response to another poster who I had asked if they had ever lived there? It was "fair enough" for me to be honest with that person and tell them yes, I had lived there so had some idea of the people/culture/history.

You have me perplexed...

Apology accepted.

I am curious too.It is/was a dreadful look but I can't say why it happened or even if there is an "official" explanation yet.

Generally I try to get my information from Mainstream media sources that employ people who answer these questions for a living.

I haven't seen this discussed yet although it is a story on the front page of both BBC and CNN's online edition.

War is not acceptable in the first place but it seems to be a sine qua non of progress or regress in the times we are in.

In this conflict it is impossible to say who instigated the latest rounds of fighting and it is also unclear what the picture will look like after the smoke as cleared.

I understand where you are coming from 1000%. And I'm sure that you understand what I was trying to say too. I've worked in many Countries, and it's the same in every one of them. Even in Russia, same thing most are trying to live as best they can. The biggest problem for them is where's the money is coming from to pay the next bill, and there is no social welfare to fall back on. But in all the Countries that I've worked in, they have one common denominator, corruption.

I was offered a job in Jerusalem at one point, and it was a dream come through. Then my visa application was refused, because I was Irish, and would be crossing between Israel and Syria, and they had enough Irish on the heights. (at least that's what I was told. But I still want to go there. And just like you, pick a fresh orange off the branch, and eat it, the cooking, smells the Bazaar's. To walk streets that St. Paul walked. And friendship, when they invite you into their homes. It's a different world, and impossible to describe.

Do you remember a few posts back when I said to you that "words matter"? Be careful what you write.

In the words you quoted, I see nothing that was said that "denies rape". I'd agree that the language is perhaps flippant, but I'm not hanging anyone for language that I wouldn't particularly use myself.

Here's another thing I'll tell you. The first casualty of war is the truth. I'm sure many here have seen the phrase used. And it is the truth. I would be very careful about my sources of information - in fairness, the BBC would be top of the list - but read the BBC reports - they are very careful with their language.

And just because posters here aren't rowing in 100% behind you and your outrage on rape, does not mean that the posters are not outraged. You appear to be outraged about one part of this conflict. There are many parts of this conflict that are outrageous.

Nice one.

I liked your post, as much as I can with rape.

I try my hardest to be honest, but feck me with a chainsaw, I just don't understand.

I'm not an emotive guy, but this is hitting me hard. There is too many dishonest posts. I think there are shills here.

The point I was making about Russia was that before mad Vlad stole the presidency in Russia, Russians and Ukrainians got on fine together, and I was using that to make the point that most Palestinians and Israelis got on fine too. Until someone stirs the pot. The Balkans were the same under Tito, but when he died, that finished it. I've met Serbs, from Serbia, Croats from Croatia and Bosniaks from Bosnia, all of them with the letters JNA tattooed on the knuckles of their hand. J= Jugoslavia, N= Nacional. A= Armija, or Jugoslavia Nacional Armija. Yet after Tito's death, they were at each other's throats. Again, stirred up by a handful of people, and millions died.

The Palestinians I met in Syria, even the ones born there, had a special passport, classifying them as Palestinian refugees which really limited their ability to travel anywhere. They could not get Syrian passports, because they were told, if you are given another passport, you can never return to Palestine.

As for the reluctance of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon etc to take Palestinian refugees, historically when they did take them in the past, they caused the existing governments many problems. Generally, they stirred up lots of trouble trying to overthrow the existing leaderships. But check it out. It's very interesting.

As for the Israelis, they also claim Palestine as an ancient right, " the Land God gave to me", and having survived Hitlers attempt to exterminate them, for everyone who says the Palestinians have right's, they answer where were our rights when Hitler was killing us? Men Women and Children?

Both of us have lived in that part of the world, and what happened thousands of years ago, is still alive today. You know that too.

I don't have the answer to this situation. There's enough rights and wrongs to go around both sides.

You don't care. Read your post again