Israel/Palestine Thread

"surrounded by neighbours who want them wiped out of existence."

But they're not, can you show us where Syria, Jordan, Egypt have said they want Israel "wiped out of existence" ?

When did they attack other peoples land? Be specific now, date and details.

They certainly occupied the Arab parts of Palestine after those same parts had previously been invaded and annexed by Jordan and Egypt and those two countries had attacked Israel from those annexed lands. But that's not the same as what you said, right?

Okay, so was every civilian killed during the Second World War in the Russian invasion of occupied Europe a war crime?

Was ever civilian killed in, and in the lead up to, the far less significant D-Day landings also a war crime? Should the allied leaders have been criticised and tried for those killings? What about the firebombing of just about every Japanese city by the Americans at the end of the same war?

Israel was invaded by Hamas in an attack that specifically targeted civilians. Hamas are on record as saying that they will do the same think again as soon as they have the capability to do so. What, specifically, do you think Israel should do? Remember that Hamas are a fundamentalist Islamism terrorist organisation of the ilk of the Taliban. They have a mandate from heaved, they are required by God to do what they did and so will keep doing it as long as they can.

Are you talking about Hamas or Israel?

So Israel told Emily Hands father in October then found her body burned and she was dead.

He gave all the interviews saying how happy he was she was dead and not being tortured etc by Hamas.

She gets released this week????

Why did Isreal tell him she was dead days after the attacks without proper verification????

So not "surrounded by neighbours who want them wiped out of existence."

Yep, people get killed in wars. All wars are horrible.

What America did to Japan was far far worse then what happened in Dresden. Napalm was developed specifically to burn Japanese cities. 165,000 were killed by the two atomic bombs but conventional firebombing killed over 200,000 more. Even senior US Military personnel were concerned by the lack of moral outrage by the US public. Does that make America's bombing a war crime and unjustifiable? Does it make it disproportionate? Is it okay in the context of the war? There were around 12,000 American civilian deaths during the Second World War. That's 30 times as many dead Japanese civilians. Is that proportionate? Should America have gone easy on them?

I can tell the difference. My question was posed due to me not knowing if you could do the same thing, so it's more a case of here you are.

The US helped rebuild Japan after the war, will Israel do the same for Gaza? The US dropped the atom bomb taking into consideration the amount of civilian deaths that would result from a ground invasion when dropping the atom bomb. The US was cruel but did what did to ultimately lead to a better future for Japan, Israel will continue to make Palestinians suffer after this latest bout of violence. You think this should be compared to the second world war bit this is more akin to the troubles, violence followed by cycles of retaliation.

I'm on record here stating the what Israel is doing in the West Bank is wrong and closer to ethnic cleansing than anything they are doing in Gaza. They have behaved appallingly over the last 20 years and longer.

I take issue with the false narrative that Israel invaded Arab Palestinian lands that were free and would otherwise have been a Palestinian Arab homeland. That's simple not the case. Before Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank, Egypt and Jordan occupied them. In retrospect it would have been far better for Israel to not occupy them after 1967 as the Arab populations of both regions would have been subsumed into Egypt and Jordan and a distinct Palestinian Arab national identity would never have formed.

Now you answer my question. In the context of the Arab Palestinian debate when specifically did Israel attack other people's lands.