Strong policing on the streets of Dublin tonight (24/11) - **Read OP before posting**

Louise O'Reilly saying if Helen McEntee won't resign, the Taoiseach "needs to take her out".

That's the type of tactic SF would be familiar with alright.

Agree that the city needs strong policing and a dedicated Garda force. Citizens, workers and visitors need to be able to go about their day in safety. What happened to those children and their teacher was appalling and hopefully the person responsible for that awful crime will be prosecuted asap.

The people who caused havoc by rioting, looting, terrorising workers and damaging property should also be prosecuted. The lack of garda presence in the city is wrong and needs to be addressed urgently by the government.

While those issues are not in any way disputed, some of the posts on this forum over the past few days were really depressing to read. It really is sad but true that many people on boards despise some Irish citizens, ie the people living between the canals in Dublin. I saw posts calling for citizens to be beaten up, get a good hiding, have their skulls cracked, and some posters think that importing different police forces with dogs to control the city centre, or a baton happy force to beat citizens up is a good idea. Then some posters thought that people living in social housing in the those areas should be turfed out of their homes to less densley populated places, and other more suitable or more deserving folks would be able to live in the city centre instead (go-getters IIRC) or the council could gentrify the area for tourists and those who can afford to buy luxury properties.

Citizens from Dublin were described as thugs, knackers, vermin, feral youths, wasters, layabouts, un-educated, scrotes, burglars, facists, parasites, far-right supporters and many other really nasty names. It is widespread on boards and is offensive to Dubliners. Hopefully when Helen McEntee's new legislation is passed, it will finally put a stop to this type of horrible hate speech against a particular section of Dublin people.

Sinn Fein really live rent free in some people's heads.

Take a break, go out and have a pint lads will ye.

700,000 PAYE workers protested in 1980 for tax reform - these riots have woken up a lot of people as to what’s happening out there - don’t underestimate the “crowd”- a few hundred scrotes will be squashed and brutally suppressed

If it isnt EU conditions restricting tougher policing, what is it?

I don’t rate the commissioner - but that doesn’t mean a new commissioner can’t drive change, positivity reassurance and morale uplift - you seem to be tethered to the concept that all commissioners must behave as the current commissioner is doing - that’s just stupid and non sensical so I’ll bow out of this stupid argument but no doubt you’ll reply with something equally bizarre

Different societies have different expectations of policing. The Spanish and Portuguese etc. are fine with the police handing out summary beatings..that doesn't fly here and never will just as it wouldn't in Germany or the UK.

In the UK some forces have started knocking lads off mopeds with cars, that wouldn't be accepted here. Here detectives are routinely armed, in the UK they aren't.

The public also don't have a clue about policing, any time something like this happens there's talk of 'give the Gardai batons and pepper spray'...they've had the former since 1922 and the latter since 2008. A poster in a thread a few weeks ago thought the Gardai only started wearing stab vests this year and they're wearing them 17 years.

Absolutley. Well said.

But is there appetite within any political party to make that change?

I dont see it, but I could be wrong.

And there you have it.

Its up to us to change what is acceptable. We arent being hemmed in by EU law.

We cant complain too much about policing and its show of force if we wont countenance a change.

I think there should be more protection for Gardaí using force, when it can be justified and I know what's justifiable to some, may not be justifiable to others so there'll always be criticism regardless. I think it's important to have accountability and on the whole am happy that overall we don't take a Spanish or French approach for everything.

But we're back at the courts system and legislation once again, that's at the core of this and our societal problems. I'm all for rehabilitation and chances. Increase the carrots even, but have a firm legal and lawful stick.

It's reported in the Mirror that this suspect was previously arrested and prosecuted for possession of a knife in May. The guards did their job there. The courts system let us down.

I mentioned similar in July regarding youth crime in this post (numerous examples of youths prosecuted and....nothing) https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120880110#Comment_120880110

I said how politicians in July will use words until the next incident.

Well this is the next incident. The courts dealt with this man before, less than 6 months ago.

For that, McEntee needs to go imo. No more words. The guards are a part of the justice system, they're not the whole justice system. And a separate part once again can be shown to have failed the guards, the victims and the public.

Edited to add: I don't want to be confused or associated with those racist idiots also calling for her to go. I mean in relation to her responsibilities regarding the law and courts system. I think these "protests" and any point made in relation to any other aspect of the case is an absolute disgrace.

Arrest them. Put them into prison. Stop tip toeing around it.

French "police" are gendarmerie outside of the main towns and are a branch of the military. That may explain why they are physically fit unlike an Irish or British policeman. The CRS are the riot police and would have "intervened" during the Dublin riots. They literally hang around in packs and don't take any crap. It's also fair to say the French don't really like their police.

The Union I’m a member of has sent us two emails about it so far.

no prison space