Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You didn't condemn the Israeli people in the video who were cheerleading for the incineration of Gaza or the numerous vile statements from the far right nationalists about Palestinians in Gaza. What can we conclude from this? Oh right you don't have to preface every comment with condemnation of these sorts of people. Do you see the hypocrisy of your position? You call for other people to do what you are incapable of doing because you can't brook any criticism of Israel.

Ah yes, so instead of actually elaborating on your strange comparison of various genocides (is this justification? It'll be more like the Rohingya rather than Tutsi) then claims that because there's no Jews involved in those although I'm not sure how accurate that is considering the US, including Kissinger at least were happy to ignore the atrocities perputrated by the Khmer Rouge, "You should tell the Cambodians that we will be friends with them. They are murderous thugs but we won't let that stand in our way." https://gsp.yale.edu/case-studies/cambodian-genocide-program/us-involvement/united-states-policy-khmer-rouge-regime-1975

You decided to be condecending instead. Well done you.

Regardless, Kissinger, just like Israel, do not present for all Jews and any suggestion that people questioning and disputing the actions of Israel are doing so because the majority of those in power in Israel are Jewish is crude reductionism designed to stifle debate.

Tell me this, was the Bosnian genocide a genocide? Is that something you agree with? People killed en-masse, forcibly displaced and homes destroyed? 80,000 Bosniaks were killed during that, out of a population of 1,760,000 Bosniaks which is rougly 4.5% of their population and almost the entirety of the population displaced. That took place over 3 years.

As it currently stands, estimates in Gaza are over 75% of the population displaced, probably around 15,000 killed, most likely more once the rubble is cleared. That is 0.7% of their population killed in the space of about 6 and a half weeks. Following that week on week growth (we know this won't be the case with increasing risk of water bourne diseaes, starvation etc it will almost be parabolic within the next few weeks if nothing changes) after 3 years it would hit 15% of the Gazan population.

This is in the realms of hypothetical but the current rate of destruction, killing and displacement is on the path to genocide, just like your previous examples.

This has nothing to do with people being anti-semitic, anti-Jew or some other conspiracy and everything to do with watching a western aligned nation, one that people in the west would traditionally view as an ally, carrying out collective punishment after years of oppression and subjugation.

Were Hamas justified in what they done? No, of course not. Maybe people should consider the why behind it rather than being reactionaries. Questioning people not complaining about other atrocities is a non-arguement. Why are you posting in this thread and not posting about all these things? What is it about this situation you care so much about to be in here every day?

So you can take your condescension and take a long walk.

That poster has categorically stated, several times, that Israel should continue its actions until its mission is completed.

They are condoning rather than condemning when it comes to Israel.

It's only the Arabs that are terrorists and who need to be identified as such.

Are you denying there is anti-semitism behind some of the attacks, current and previous, on Israel and language used towards them?

How many of those countries were subjected to the kind of attacks Israel had been enduring from Hamas?

So "heap of bullshit" - right back at you.

Ethnic cleansing is not the policy of Israel, whatever dog whistling signals some officials are giving out, perhaps in large part messages intended for consumption by their enemies and not. The bark and bite are not the same.

Nor is merely 'ethnic cleasning' the reason why Nazis have gone down in history for what they did and attempted to do to Jews.

Either you are ignorant of the numerous such previous examples of ethnic cleaning or you deliberately skipped over them and chose the Nazi insult to cause maximum insult to Jews.

Truce to begin at 10:00am tomorrow for 4 days if all goes well and then there is the potential for daily extensions in return for more releases.

Does anyone know how many of the hostages are soldiers?

Reading comprehension and / or critical thinking seems to be an issue. Calling Israeli officials out for behaving like and using language like 1930s Germany does not say they are the same but are taking a similar path. They have a choice though and would expect they wont go anywhere near all the way down that path. But they are undeniably on the path.

Also, you say its dog whistles from some officials and not the policy of Israel. The actions over the past 6 weeks say otherwise. They say "we will turn gaza in a deserted island" and proceed to start levelling the place.

Also, the claim is Israel is an open liberal democracy. As such they should be accountable to the norms of civilised society, so forgive me for holding them to those standards.

But of a disingenuous response, you went from 'a major reason people are talking' to 'some of the attacks on israel'.. of course that's the point isn't it, to try silence any talk of israel as being anti Semitic

And no I don't deny that 'some' are anti-Semitic, there are definitely anti Semites out there, and trying to paint anyone who is critical of killing and ethnic cleansing as being as bad as them is despicable

Okay, so you did understand my post. See, that wasn't hard.

It seems that you are interested in bad things done by America and her allies. It sounds like you're having the same conversations I heard by son have with his friends when he was in transition year.

The Bosnian Genocide was a genocide. Thankfully the Americans stopped it. I was young at the time but the fact that the Americans had to step in to save one of the oldest indigenous Muslim populations in Europe and the powerlessness of the EU wasn't lost on me. So far the Palestinian Arab population of Gaza is internally displaced. It remains to be seen if the extremists in Israel get their way and it becomes an ethnic cleansing. What's happening in the West Bank, now that is ethnic cleansing.

I'm aware of the other genocides and conflicts going on in the world as we speak. I'm as concerned about them as I am about what's happening in Gaza and the West Bank. I like to know, in as much as I can to the limits of my time and my intellect, what the root causes are. I find the narrative around this conflict as incomplete and immature as a bunch of 14 year old socialists. The chief narrators are bombastic blowhards like Mickey D and his ilk of rich socialists.

I think I read it's still limited to 200 trucks per day, but including fuel.

I imagine we'll also see a big spike in the numbers of deaths too as the recovery efforts get under way

The truce was agreed to by Israel due to the leverage Hamas had with the prisoners. Respected commentators like Norman Finkelstein are calling the bombing in Gaza a genocide. For that is precisely what is it. Since 1948 Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing as the holocaust survivor said in the clip posted earlier on this thread.

As the holocaust survivor correctly points out you can criticise Israel and not be an anti semite or pro Hamas supporter. I don't foresee Gazans being able to return to Gaza. As Gideon Levy said the average Israeli has become desensitised to the suffering of the Palestinian people at the hands of their Government. As we saw with attempts to amend the constitution Israeli's are well able to protest.

Until the Israeli Government learn to accept that a Palestinian life has equal value and merit as an Jewish life then their will be no resolution.

The longer the pause lasts, the more people see how diplomacy has achieved the release of far more hostages compared to military action, and especially once the true scale of death and destruction starts to come out of Gaza during the pause, the more pressure will be applied on the Israeli cabinet to not restart the war to get more hostages out.

I expect the flow of hostages being released will start to slow down though after the initial burst to try stretch things out while Hamas still retains enough of a reserve as a bargaining chip ( some poor soldiers are going to be kept for a long time unfortunately)

I just hope the ceasefire isn't broken during the timescale. I can easily see Hamas firing a rocket or two or attack IDF soldiers in Gaza in which case, I can't see the IDF holding back for the sake of the ceasefire.

200 trucks a day, well short of the 500 they use to get daily and even that wasn't nearly enough. I fear the worst is yet to come.

Well done Israel and the IDF.

They need to keep the pressure on Hamas until all the hostages are released.

OK, so what do you want to happen to Gaza after this war is over?

Hand it back to Hamas, the death cult?