"Green" policies are destroying this country

creedp · 21-11-2023 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395213#Comment_121395213

Most cars deemed to be in the SUV class for marketing and protest purposes are not SUVs. Ive yet to hear of a protest against crossovers.

Makes sense really as in effect they are but tall hatchbacks. Much more difficult to stir up popular revolt against such a boring and innocuous term

m2_browning · 21-11-2023 12:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395270#Comment_121395270

Don’t give up

These priests and doom merchants are repeatedly being proven wrong by science, engineering, economics and facts on this thread

And more importantly exposed for what they are, Far left authoritarians who (claim) give more priority to environmental issues but still want to engage in cultural wars and social engineering

The bizzare crusade against cars in last few pages exposes their daft social positions, while they hypocritical stance on nuclear clearly shows they don’t give a **** about addressing doom and gloom of climate change (interestingly enough their high priestess Greta has now seen the light but it seem some didn’t get the memo here)

Give it a few pages and the ringleader will change topic once again to killing all irish cows for the laughs in order to keep this thread at top and hence give exposure to random out of context environmental related news snippets

Citizen Six · 21-11-2023 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395418#Comment_121395418

"priests and doom merchants", "crusade against cars", "high priestess Greta"

These sound like terms used by people brainwashed into thinking "15 minute cities" are on the way to control us.

No an attack on you personally, clearly aimed at your post. Maybe a more clear and balanced view would be better.

m2_browning · 21-11-2023 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395608#Comment_121395608

You want to discuss any of the points made or continue on a personal attack which is against forum rules btw

Or maybe you can’t and hence why you turned to personal insults

Beta Ray Bill · 21-11-2023 02:15PM

Seen this today:

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/green-party-mep-confident-eu-legislation-on-repairing-goods-will-pass-1554234.html

I have to say, I am fully behind this.

I try to be as "Green" as I can but would not really be a supporter of the Green party. But this in my mind is hugely important. The amount of stuff I've thrown out over the last X years because it wasn't economical to repair it is a REAL bug bearer of mine. Electronics is a KEY offender here along with things like household appliances.

Replacement furniture parts is another one.

I really hope this one goes though. We have a throw away society at the moment and that needs to change.

Citizen Six · 21-11-2023 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395638#Comment_121395638

I've adjusted my post. I wouldn't want to insult you personally of course, or infer that you were a snowflake in any way. My sincere apologies.

Clo-Clo · 21-11-2023 02:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395293#Comment_121395293

Most people can't tell the difference, they go around talking about SUV this and SUV that and in reality it's Crossovers they are talking about.

An actually SUV is supposed to be able to go off-road and proper off-road while also been able to get used as an everyday car. It was also supposed to have 4-wheel drive. Proper 4 wheel drive and not the AWD version which is put onto Crossovers which wouldn't get you out of a wet paper bag

Think of a Toyota Land Cruiser and that's a SUV.

As you correctly say the issue is not really with SUV's but with the huge influx of Crossovers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395787#Comment_121395787

This is great news, at the moment you buy something and two years later if it breaks it is impossible to fix wihtout bending over backwards and normally easier to just go buy a new one

easygoing39 · 21-11-2023 02:35PM

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Will this mean we can keep our perfectly good 2013 diesel Golf that continues to pass its NCT every year??

Clo-Clo · 21-11-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395880#Comment_121395880

Why would you not keep the diesel Golf?

Even if the government continue with their plans and banning new diesel cars it will be 2030 and it will be many many years after that before diesel cars are totally out of the market. At least 2040 and more like 2050

Personally I don't think diesel cars will ever get banned but the sales will be massively reduced for alternatives. Will that be electrics or hybrids or hydrogen I don't know but in my opinion diesel cars still have a space in the market for a set of customers.

Beta Ray Bill · 21-11-2023 02:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395880#Comment_121395880

I keep my car until it's not worth a penny and stop working and or cannot pass an NCT, and only then do I change.

Just changed my 2008 Mazda 6 Diesel for a 2019 Leaf. Had the Mazda 9 years. Paid €11,000 for it, got 90,000 miles out of it bringing total up to 160,000.

Subframe goosed and Car only worth about €1,000 (max) I feel that's a genuine reason change.

The Leaf will be driven until it stops working.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395859#Comment_121395859

I have a paid of Sony WH-1000XM5 headphones. they were €320. After less that 6 months the ear piece broke off, (All electronics still working just the plastic broke...) Sony wanted €165 for a repair....... ASK MY HOLE!

easygoing39 · 21-11-2023 02:52PM

Clo-Clo,I agree with you,it's just I feel the govt is pressuring people into forking out €50,000 or whatever mad price these ev's are,using the big stick of impending hikes in fuel prices or like in London banning cars older than 8 yrs etc from our larger towns.And all the while the 2013 diesel Golf keeps getting me and my family around in safety and it's still affordable to fill the tank every time it's empty.Plus we have'nt got the funds for a new car,whether ev or fossil fuel powered!

Clo-Clo · 21-11-2023 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395962#Comment_121395962

This is the problem, they make it too expensive to repair so you just buy new. This needs to be resolved

Beta Ray Bill · 21-11-2023 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395970#Comment_121395970

It was on Newstalk that the average price of an EV/PHEV is €60,000 new.

They are extremely expensive, and not everyone can afford one. There is also concern with regard to 2nd hand cars as to how well they will work after 6 or 7 years. ICE cars will on average (if looked after) work for 15 years at least. EV's haven't really been around that long so no one really knows.

As someone who lives in Dublin, it bugs me that first I was told to buy low CO2 car, now the CO2 car I was asked to buy emits lots of Sulpher and Soot and I need to change that for an EV or PHEV, now that I bought that I'm being told, please use public transport instead of your car if it's available, so I did that too and now for areas where Public transport is poor I'm being told to use "Active Transport" (Walk or Cycle).

If the government don't want cars in DCC just ban them, grow a pair of balls like. Gas thing is that the odd time I do drive into Dublin there is nearly always at least 3 people in the car and it's always on the weekend. This makes is more green than a half filled Bus or Train, yet they're still making it as difficult as they can for me.

As already mentioned if I paid €60,000 for a car I'd be using it for everything!

Clo-Clo · 21-11-2023 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396153#Comment_121396153

The big issue now as well is the second hand market for EV's. A lot of garages don't want to trade in electric cars or are reluctant to. Just talking to a guy and he said a garage took in 12 Leafs and ended up selling them off at a combined loss of nearly 100k. (exaggerated I expect)

But loads of info on web about the price of second hand electric cars in the UK and the depreciation

One below

It's coming to a head now and not sure how it will pan out but the price of new electric cars are still totally ridiculous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aXlF4OngOA

machiavellianme · 21-11-2023 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395983#Comment_121395983

Absolutely. 95% of the components are still perfect but the item is needlessly binned.

Or worse still they seal the battery in and when it degrades it's nearly impossible to replace so you've to buy a new one. I can't wait for user replaceable batteries to return.

JRant · 21-11-2023 04:06PM

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I recently replaced a battery on my Note 9 phone. It was working perfectly except for the crap battery life. Bought a small kit, including new battery, and replaced it in under an hour but they don't make it easy. The end result was a perfectly good phone with a new lease of battery life (pardon the pun). It's shocking how difficult they make it though and really needs to be looked at.

21-11-2023 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393683#Comment_121393683

Curious to see France looking to develop nearly 20GW of offshore wind over the next decade. I guess they have to do something to cover all the unexpected downtime at the nuke plants

roosterman71 · 21-11-2023 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396571#Comment_121396571

What if the unexpected downtime coincides with no wind blowing? If they were concerned about unexpected downtime, it would be coal/oil/gas they'd be heading for and not wind

21-11-2023 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396622#Comment_121396622

How would that approach align with a zero emissions grid?

21-11-2023 04:34PM

The scale of the emissions of the Irish agri sector being highlighted again. Hopefully the work being done in that sector starts to show better results, faster

Emissions per capita in Ireland are more than a fifth higher than the EU average because of agriculture, according to a report by the Central Bank.

The “Climate Observatory” report provided an update of the State’s main climate-related metrics. It noted that “by global standards, Ireland is an emission-intensive economy”.

The State’s CO2 emissions per capita in 2020 was 6.8 tonnes, it said, which was 23 per cent higher than the EU, 47 per cent higher than the UK, but 48 per cent lower than North America.

Four sectors accounted for 83 per cent of Irish greenhouse gas emissions; agriculture (38 per cent), transport (18 per cent), energy (17 per cent) and residential (11 per cent).

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/11/20/irelands-emissions-per-capita-now-23-higher-than-eu-average-report-finds/

m2_browning · 21-11-2023 04:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396637#Comment_121396637

Bingo!

back to killing the cows as predicted higher up in page

roosterman71 · 21-11-2023 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396627#Comment_121396627

There's no such thing unless nuclear is in the picture and or/until the hydrogen plans are realised

21-11-2023 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396694#Comment_121396694

Which is the case in France, so why suggest it then as it would not seem compatible with that

m2_browning · 21-11-2023 05:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396720#Comment_121396720

France is on the European grid, Ireland is not, and much closer to the core EU banana economic core

France is already the greenest in Europe since forever because of nuclear

And unlike the ideologically blinkered ideologues here they don’t seem to view the world via false either/or choices and actually want to help solve climate change instead of throwing hundreds of billions into the Atlantic Ocean blindly without consideration

ednwireland · 21-11-2023 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395787#Comment_121395787

my magimix blender has a 30 year parts availability (admittedly cost a fortune) (€199)

my miele dishwasher/vacuum have 25 year parts availability (€899/249)

to be honest probably still cheaper to throw them than repair. the legislation has to address ease of repair otherwise it's pointless. (to be fair I think it originally was supposed to but don't know if that made it through)

having said that I have an old tefal actifry and that has a 15 year parts availability and got a new lid recently)

so if you look products are out there but they cost.

roosterman71 · 21-11-2023 05:06PM

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Short termism on show again. No mention that livestock has increased by 4% since 1973. Why only look at the growth since quota abolishment, which was driven by EU and government policy to increase agri output, in particular dairy. It also lumps methane in with CO2 which we all know is not cool science as they are very different gases. Nor does it account for any CO2 captured in agriculture. Ya know all this right? Furthermore, our agri emissions are higher per capita as we've a relatively small population. In the UK in 2020, the CO2/capita for agri was 790kg. In Ireland in 2020 it was 4,570kg. This is down to population. In 2020, Ireland had nearly twice as many cattle as the UK

That table is from the CSO (https://data.cso.ie/) (the CSO has it for June 2020 and don't see a yearly count)

Basic maths. If you have more animals, and a smaller population the emissions/capita are way off so comparing Irish agri with UK (in this example) is rubbish

21-11-2023 05:10PM

An interesting study on the increase of misinformation from the far-right over the last few years. One of this threads more popular "sources" gript.ie, comes in for special mention

https://www.thejournal.ie/how-misinformation-spreads-in-ireland-isd-analysis-social-media-news-fringe-groups-6226354-Nov2023/

Coolcormack1979 · 21-11-2023 05:14PM

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And again just come out and say u want to kill off an entire industry and be done with it.what a sad life to lead just wanting to drive everyone back to the Stone Age.

kabakuyu · 21-11-2023 05:15PM

The greens have trouble defining what an SUV is,read the article below, Cuffe is a zealot who has no idea what ordinary citizens are going through.Its fairly obvious that the greens will eventually want to ban electric SUVS.If Cuffe had his way a VW ID4 will be banned.

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/138676/green-mep-urges-us-not-buy-suvs-including-e-versions

ednwireland · 21-11-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396774#Comment_121396774

plenty of misinformation from all sides imho.

I personally don't think there is any reliable source of news. its always been biased if not blatantly untrue as is another.

scary that kids get news from tik tok. as an old person I wouldn't put that down as a news source.

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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