"Green" policies are destroying this country

elperello · 20-11-2023 08:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393198#Comment_121393198

Buses and trucks are big for a reason, they need to be the size they are to fulfill their functions.

Buses move a lot of people.

Trucks move a lot of cargo.

machiavellianme · 20-11-2023 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393119#Comment_121393119

Correct, but the renewables make massive inframarginal rent (on top of capacity payments and any other feed in tariff payments they may be eligible for).

There's a reason why the wind lobby group WEI has over 40 people in employment - to keep the gravy train running. These folk never generate a single watt of electricity themselves, they're just paid by some of the industry to stay in the Ministers ear. Take a look at any photos of ER and you'll likely see their CEO nearby.

machiavellianme · 20-11-2023 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393216#Comment_121393216

And SUVs move people and cargo to places busses and trucks don't go.

m2_browning · 20-11-2023 08:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393216#Comment_121393216

SUVs move more people faster than a cargo bike

whats your point again?

20-11-2023 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393198#Comment_121393198

I posted a load of stuff on SUV's a day or two ago here, you may find the answers you are looking for among the references studies.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121380691#Comment_121380691

Irish road safety data is woeful though. Between the fustercluck that is the Garda data management and the secrecy of the RSA, its a serious issue trying to get comprehensive data around road collisions in Ireland, below is a recent example highlighted

https://dublininquirer.com/2023/11/01/a-quest-to-understand-statistics-published-by-the-road-safety-authority-leads-to-a-wild-answer-chase/

elperello · 20-11-2023 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393236#Comment_121393236

There are very few places trucks don't go and our bus network is improving all the time.

But you are right private vehicles will always be needed by some people.

The question is do they need to be big vehicles where a small one would be as good.

Of course most of what are called SUV's in this country are not SUV's at all but are crossovers.

Should we penalise people who need more space in their cars or incentives smaller cars ?

machiavellianme · 20-11-2023 08:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393261#Comment_121393261

I read your links the last time and they didn't answer questions then, they still don't now. Your last link sums the issue up and I'd rather have informed decision making.

What I'm looking for is a big morbid database full of details related to Ireland. Linking to the USA is pointless - their saloons are often bigger than our minibuses. There's scarcely a day goes by where there isn't a road death in Ireland and there's probably multiples of accidents on top of that (many which probably aren't reported, of the 4 times I was hit cycling, only 1 went to the Gardai). None of the sources tend to track useful data like vehicle type, age, impairments, driver information, victim information (were they infringing on the rules of the road themselves). Then of course, if there's more SUVs and more cyclists/pedestrians, you'd expect more accidents with them involved.

The least common denominator in all vehicle accidents is the human at the wheel. Perhaps we should be moving to Autonomous autos faster if it's a safety issue?

20-11-2023 09:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393325#Comment_121393325

While I agree regarding your desire for more data, what you laid out as a dataset is unlikely to ever exist unfortunately, at least I don't foresee it ever coming together in that form based on the current treatment of this data. Maybe that will change in time, who knows.

I disagree on the USA stats being pointless, they are an excellent indicator of where we are heading with pickups and SUV's getting larger and larger on our roads, but allow me to offer a comparable EU study instead.

One from Belgium a few months ago, covers such things as vehicle weight, bonnet height, power, age, pickup, suv etc and is based on data from 300,000 collisions

https://www.vias.be/fr/newsroom/des-voitures-plus-lourdes-plus-hautes-et-plus-puissantes-pour-une-securite-routiere-a-deux-vitesses-/

Conclusion

The analysis of accidents between, on the one hand, two cars and, on the other hand, a car and a vulnerable user shows that the current development, namely increasingly heavy, tall and powerful cars, risks lead to two-speed road safety. On the one hand, passengers in these more robust vehicles are increasingly safer; on the other, vulnerable users and occupants of smaller cars (lower mass and power) are increasingly at risk of serious or fatal injuries.

Of course, the increase in the mass of cars is partly explained by the massive presence of driving aids, but also by increased comfort, greater sound insulation and increasingly thick body pillars. This study clearly shows that it is essential to slow down this increase, to move towards a more homogeneous fleet and to better protect vulnerable users in the event of collision with cars.

Akrasia · 20-11-2023 09:30PM

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/19/uk-has-e10-billion-per-nuclear-reactor-decommissioning-bottomless-pit/

10 billion per reactor decommissioning costs...

Edit, already posted

20-11-2023 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393548#Comment_121393548

Remember Frances EDF claim they can do it for €350million per reactor. Porkies much.

elperello · 20-11-2023 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393251#Comment_121393251

It's not really about bikes.

Just trying to figure out the best way to right size vehicles without disadvantaging people.

20-11-2023 10:05PM

A useful bit of info released today from the North Seas Energy Cooperation (NSEC). It details most of the estimated timelines for offshore auctions and the construction periods for each auction, Ireland included (indicated in green)

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/d2ba3-minister-ryan-welcomes-publication-of-long-term-plans-for-offshore-wind-auctions-in-ireland-and-the-north-seas/

https://energy.ec.europa.eu/topics/infrastructure/high-level-groups/north-seas-energy-cooperation_en

JRant · 20-11-2023 10:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393523#Comment_121393523

Stop the press, are they only now realising that an increase in mass leads to more damage. Wait till they find out that the velocity is squared, making it by far the biggest factor in determining outcome for pedestrians.

If you hit by a 1500kg car doing 30kmph (675kJ) you will come out far better than getting him by the same car at even 50kmph (1875 kJ). So over 3 times the amount of energy for a very modest increase in speed.

20-11-2023 10:33PM

The ECT strikes again, with a fossil fuel company using it to block windfall taxes on its profits

In a separate case, the publicly owned Swiss electricity company AET is suing Germany over the impact of its coal phase-out on the Trianel Lünen coal power plant, in which it has a 15% stake.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/eu-germany-and-denmark-sued-by-oil-firm-over-windfall-tax

20-11-2023 11:21PM

It can't be done, tell that to Portugal

https://www.zmescience.com/science/portugal-ran-on-100-renewables-for-almost-a-week-and-the-records-keep-pilling-up/

roosterman71 · 20-11-2023 11:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393523#Comment_121393523

This is the line. This is why people buy them (plus the superior driving position and more space

On the one hand, passengers in these more robust vehicles are increasingly safer

Has anyone ever bought a car and even considered the safety of those outside it?

20-11-2023 11:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394057#Comment_121394057

Surely that is why the government has to consider them. People are generally selfish in their choices and government has to prioritize the greater good.

machiavellianme · 20-11-2023 11:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394015#Comment_121394015

Around 1/5th of their renewables is met by hydroelectric power. That implies spinning mass and therefore inertia. Their grid is also electrically coupled to a much larger system, the Spanish and indeed Central European system.

It is absolutely not the same feat as producing electricity using asynchronous sources on an island that has only HVDC connections to the next nearest island.

If you want to be wowed by a continental country with significant asynchronous generation, Denmark is the leader. However it's also the interconnector of Europe and benefits from all the inertia and system services carried by its neighbours.

It's that inertia that abates system frequency excursions during events, thereby stopping significant rates of change of frequency which is measured by protection relays. This gives other sources a chance to provide reserves rather than trip themselves in sympathy.

Disconnect Portugal from Spain and see how well they fare at that level of renewables.

charlie14 · 21-11-2023 02:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393592#Comment_121393592

Finland did it for €11 Billion for a reactor that would provide over 30% of our present requirements.

Three of those would near enough fill our current needs. That would cost €33 Billion. Even at €10 Billion each for decommissioning the total would be €63 Billion.

That is still €37 Billion less than Eamon Ryan`s makey uppey figure for offshore wind.

We could even build a spare, still be €15 Billion better of than Ryan`s makey uppey figure and be like France and Sweden with countries lining up to buy our excess.

ednwireland · 21-11-2023 08:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393800#Comment_121393800

the board would be accused of not defending shareholders if it didn't. should everyone lie down to government whims.

the consumer will pay for it anyway.

antoinolachtnai · 21-11-2023 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393220#Comment_121393220

This is very exciting. How can an operator get a capacity payment for a 20 MW Wind farm?

How can an operator make inframarginal rent beyond the auction strike price for a new wind farm?

How can wind generators get these extra feed-in tariffs ‘they may be eligible for’? Does DSP pay these? Is there a web page?

machiavellianme · 21-11-2023 10:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394773#Comment_121394773

Little to none of the RESS auction based wind farms have connected yet, so most of your points don't apply. Legacy wind can avail of all of the above (if they elected to), plus, those who connected before 4th July 2019 get priority dispatch ahead of everyone else.

If you want to join them, buy a time machine, but in the meantime, approx 5GW of our generation reap the rewards of a rubbish market design where they are paid against the production cost of gas/coal/oil/DSUs despite having 0 fuel costs themselves.

roosterman71 · 21-11-2023 11:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394094#Comment_121394094

You are just moving the problem. I asked previously if studies had been done. SUVs vs VRU is just one approach and shouldn't be the only metric for determining the safety or lack of

Is there no data showing the type of vehicle involved in tese collisions so we could see if SUVs share is growing or not? Probably is but is it in line with the growth of that vehicle class. Now in addition information needs to be sought as to the type of accident, were the pedestrians visible, what speed was the vehicle doing, was the driver impaired, etc. It wouldn't be a simple linear thing I guess (being hit at speed by a saloon or SUV is bad news). We'd also then need to look at the vehicle occupants status post accident. Were they survivors or had lesser injuries because they were in an SUV.

It's not just a case of SUVs are more dangerous without all the ancillary bits of data needed to build a bigger more accurate picture. Plus you'd have to look at how vehicle to vehicle collisions are and if SUVs protect better than saloons.

If we really were worried about pedestrians, then there'd be a blanket ban on pedestrians and cars mixing in any area. Targeting SUVs is just some populist shite to please those tyre deflating knobheads and their ilk.

And prioritising ones own safety is far from selfish

21-11-2023 11:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394945#Comment_121394945

Most people who own SUVs have no functional need for them. They congest cities and often the drivers are not even compitent enough to drive one (I have had to reverse for half a mile because some women SUV driver cannot reverse them or won't pull in even if they could). A relatively few people such as farmers have a functional need for them.

21-11-2023 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394574#Comment_121394574

The boards laugh about the fact that governments agreed to these kangaroo tribunals. It's the main reason that trade agreements are falling down before final signing since the public and governments are finally wising up to the dubious nature of these binding tribunal decisions.

roosterman71 · 21-11-2023 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395024#Comment_121395024

In cities, the size of them may be an issue. Then again, many of them, though taller, don't have a huge footprint on the ground and would be comparable to many saloons. Loading/unloading them is far easier than a saloon, especially if you have kids. The high driving position is much safer, as well as the aforementioned safety aspect for passengers. Driver competence is an issue not linked to SUVs, though I probably wouldn't mind a new licence class for them. If nothing else it would mean people had to do some training to manoeuver and get used to the new driving position.

I don't believe you had to reverse for half a mile. That doesn't sound legit unless ya were down some bog lane with no where to pull in. Personally, if it was me I'd get out and offer to reverse for them and if they weren't pulling in, I'd hold my position on the road, pull in and then park up. Always let clowns like that ones moving when passing so if they hit your car it's 100% their fault as you are stationary 😁

machiavellianme · 21-11-2023 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395024#Comment_121395024

While I agree with you that some folk are out of their depth on country roads (I had a similar experience and had to reverse the Massey a good 250m with a full silage trailer behind me), I don't think it would matter if it's an SUV or a saloon. I've had the same issue when I met the milk lorry, c'est la vie - tis but an opportunity to hone my reversing skills. There's a lot of size variations within the umbrella term of "SUV", anything from the size of a Yaris to the size of a monster truck. In my experience, a lot of of them aren't particularly wide, they're just taller.

Their needs may be different to your views of their needs. They may require increased cabin space or desire a higher driving position or simply their perception of a safer cabin. What exactly is wrong with any of those needs?

m2_browning · 21-11-2023 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395024#Comment_121395024

And here we get to the core of the green nonsense ideology/religion

The sheer arrogance and condescension towards those they consider are not holy enough

It is not up to you and your inner dictator to tell what people to do or how to live their lives

How is your opinion any different to social opinions let’s say of the conservatives who believe abortion is evil and gay rights are sodomous? Btw you are free to have whatever daft opinions and express them online, but trying to force your opinion’s undemocratically when greens are a minority is clearly crossing a line which pisses so many people off

Citizen Six · 21-11-2023 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395024#Comment_121395024

Most of the SUVs you are talking about are of no functional use to a farmer.

deholleboom · 21-11-2023 12:16PM

Im leaving this not so merry go round thread due to A:the many blank pages of Ignored Green posters constantly on the war path and displaying their stupidity with a veracity of an out of control beligerent child Homer Simpson and B: the insistence of contra posters willing to engage with them actually contributing to the problem. This slagging match has gotten beyond tedious..

Good luck getting nowhere..

"Green" policies are destroying this country

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