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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    as my father would say "She needs a good kick up the arse".


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Cabinet ministers have told the Irish Mail on Sunday that the Revenue Commissioners will be assigned the task of collecting the licence fee. Both funding of RTÉ entirely by the government and the household broadcasting charge have been ruled out for the rest of this government's term. There is speculation in political circles that the general election will take place next autumn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Well Im not paying the Licence fee, mine was out since August 2023, have had 3 reminder letters in the post, latest was on Friday just gone, none mentioning court yet.

    Im going to wait and see what comes next, they cant bring everyone to court as non payments have soared since the Tubs payments scandal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,278 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Just add it to the property tax already. Doesn't matter if you don't have a TV,we pay for all sorts we don't use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Once Revenue involved things get far more complicated. It wont be court initially but will be INTEREST added to amount owed and regardless, at some stage you will end up paying but then also the added interest which will be hefty. Depending on what you do - self employed, company owner etc it could lead to audits OR at minimum puts you in the crosshairs with revenue which most people dont want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Most likely they will just take it from your wage, like the property tax.

    When are they passing the legislation for this change?


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭capefear


    I wonder if you dont pay will the withhold your tax clearance cert if your self employed. I suppose time will tell when the change over happens, it will probably be called the broadcasting licence by then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Getting the taxman more involved in peoples lives will greatly deepen the level of anger towards this organisation

    do they realise this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Its primarily a FEAR thing. Revenue is feared by most. So the gov have resorted to fear as the only solution for collection of TV Licence or whatever it will be called.

    Yes @capefear .. I reckon so - "I wonder if you dont pay will the withhold your tax clearance cert if your self employed."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I don't see how that gets any of current unpaid money, surely it's pass legislation first, you can't backdate that, will there be an amnesty for the fee's between now and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Self employed people will not be able to separate the RTE Bailout Tax out of their return and not pay it

    they either pay the lot or don’t pay which will lead to the sheriff at the door

    as I say again the anger will deepen greatly if the government do this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    Surely tax authority or government have to prove you have a tv to prosecute. If you don't have a tv the tax doesn't apply to you.

    Can't see this stunt being accepted in the UK anyway. they know they won't get zero push back in Britain. And the RTE model will have been built on the BBC. Ireland may be a lot more compliant these days.

    But the numbers switching off rte lately suggests Irish people have had enough of their nonsense now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Yes @Arthur Daley .. but a TV License Tax was always essentially an ongoing annual tax on your purchased TV that happened to be paid to RTE who were the only thing on it at one stage. Now the gov are scrambling around as most other govs are to find another tax to replace the TV Tax with.

    The gov are facing the same thing where motoring is concerned .. if more andd more is gone electric or hybrid which pay low motor tax, what will they replace it with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Only so far the NRA have yet to be found in the middle of a mismanagement scandal.

    I think many forget that the reason so many people decided not to renew their license fee is due to the scandal that hit RTÉ and due to the over all mismanagement of our national public service broadcaster.

    It seems to me that the "Dee Forbes/Moya Doherty thesis" is the current argument for reform of the license fee rather than reform of RTÉ

    This thesis that they spout "that the license free is broken/old fashioned and if they had had more money then they would not have had to do what they did" is a pure logical fallacy.

    I mean it is insanity to think that the organization that got themselves into this mess should be allowed to get themselves out of the mess they find themselves in.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Windowsnut



    Could one pursue a small claims court action for the return of the licence fee?

    Fine, there is a legal obligation to pay it, I have done my civic duty and paid it.

    But given their failure to provide PSB and "teleshopping" is not PSB, can we not take a small claims court action for the return of the money by way of failure to provide a service.

    They have closed DAB, Aertel, now reducing digital radio stations on the saorview service.

    To add insult to injury they blast out over the BBC frequencies to block them, but what they block them with is scandalous so we can't even get overspill anymore.

    I wouldn't mind if I watched 1 / 2 hours of RTE a week, but the fact is, I don't watch even a half hour.

    There is honestly nothing on these two channels that I would watch.

    Thane direct Teleshopping, kelly clarkson Dr Phill, Shortland Street, Doctors, home and away, neighbours, fair city, today, that is the menu. There is nothing Irish there, no value whatsoever, if it was a restaurant, I would walk.

    We should be able to counter their court prosecutions with small claims actions for failure to provide service.

    Who is watching this pure crap????

    I would have thought buying sandals with money meant for the State Broadcaster is misappropriation of funds at very least - where are the Gardai???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It'll not be called a TV tax. That's how they will force everyone to pay it, whether you have a tv or not.

    They will call it a digital home tax or such like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Windowsnut


    Fine, but how do we derive value for money and accountability into the future?

    They have effectively gotten away with what they have done at this point.

    The Governments reaction is not how dare you rte, its how dare you not pay!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,587 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Even if RTE were getting 100% of the TV license money, the would still be in crying to the government that it wasn't enough and they need to increase it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Any word from Dee 'Sick Note' Forbes yet on when she'll be well enough to attend the PAC?

    She must be between a rock and a hard place now in that if she ever wants to 'work' again (earn a wedge for doing feck all), she'll eventually have to come off the sick note.. but if she does that she'll be well enough to attend PAC, so if she wants to go all the way here and never see PAC, then thats probably her retired effectively...


    Anyone know how old she is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah I was going to try to find a interview with Cathal Goan on the arrival of Who Wants to Be A Millionaire back in the early 2000s, where he wanted more money, this was really at a time when RTÉ actually had money, they'd just sold of Cablelink and they had seen significant gains in funding via the license fee at each budget. At the time I would have been a defender of RTÉ here on boards, but I didn't realise they could have being doing far more.

    As I was researching that video I did come across an archive video of the lunch of WWTBAM, if only they'd done the right thing and fixed it so that they would become millionaires ...



    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Well Im not self employed so I dont need a C2 Tax clearance certificate, Im PAYE sector.

    Im going to to wait it out. Im up to date on Property Tax etc.

    I know lots of people who are not paying it either, as I said before they cannot take everyone to court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    And if they do prosecute, almost every one of those people and the voters in their families will not vote for FFG candidates. That's the political cost of this fiasco that worries the government.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    They just couldn't resist giving the gig to Gaybo.. Wrong man entirely for that show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,218 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    What was it that they couldn't win a Million, only have vague memories of ever watching the show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am being facetious

    If you look at the video its like looking at the who's who of Oireachtas Committee meetings in 2023!

    "They should have fixed it so that they could be come millionaires" ... in other words exactly what they did.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Gaybo was more apt for "The Meaning Of Life" but a square peg in a round hole for Who wants to be a Millionaire (which he never awarded anybody 1 million punts )



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