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Renaming Dublin's rail lines after people

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I do not know any Chinese characters other than Chairman Mao, or Chou en Lai, or Chairman Xi, - so that would limit the choice for me. Xi is a bit too close to Twitter's new name, so that might not be allowed.

    How many railway lines are there in Dublin, anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭ohographite


    I think that Cork, Limerick and Galway should have more than one station each (Cork arguably already has more than one if you count Little Island and Glounthane). If and when they have multiple stations each, it will make sense to give each station a unique name to avoid confusion. For example, if a station is built in Moyross in Limerick, the city will have two stations, so neither should be just called Limerick Station. The existing station would still be the main station for Limerick, but it should still have a name that distinguishes it from other stations. It would probably be more helpful to rename it after the street it's on or the local area (Parnell Street and Prior's Land respectively according to Google maps) but I don't think it matters too much whether it's called Limerick Colbert or Limerick Parnell Street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,838 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Neither of them would ever be called Limerick Station. One in Moyross would be called Moyross and Colbert would still be Colbert



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭ohographite


    Exactly. It would be confusing if one was just called Limerick Station. That was my point.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Isn't one called Limerick Junction - just to confuse the tourists?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,037 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's the junction for Limerick, not at all confusing.

    I don't know anyone who actually calls Limerick "Colbert" outside of officialdom, one of the 1966 renamings that failed to catch on popularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,916 ✭✭✭GerardKeating




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Luas Green line - The Anto line

    Luas Red line - The Jacintaahhhh line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Thankfully now known as HJ & Donaghmede.

    The HJ part will be phased out soon enough, I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Timely thread bump?.... 😅

    Dart South Southbound and Dart South Northbound just don't have the same ring to them as the Wilde line Southbound or the Bertie line Northbound 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Personally, I'm for renaming them back to Amiens Street, Westland Row, King's Bridge etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Why? That won’t help the majority of people in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Airport names only work when there is more than one on the city, like in Milan, Paris or NYC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,491 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Sure it will. Tells you where the stations are, which is useful if you want to go to the station to get a train; if you're coming to the city, it tells you where in the city the train will leave you.

    Internationally, this is a common way of naming stations. King's Cross, St. Pancras, Victoria, London Bridge, Charing Cross, Marylebone, Liverpool Street, Euston, Blackfriars, Paddington (all in London) and Montparnasse, Luxembourg, Orsay, St Lazare (all in Paris) are named for their locations. You see this in smaller cities too — Perrache and Part-Dieu in Lyon; Piazza Principe and Brignole in Genoa; Santa Maria Novella and Campo di Marte in Florence. Even cities that only have one significant station, or even just one station, will often name it after the district where it is to be found — Santa Lucia in Venice, Saint-Charles in Marseille.

    Hauptbahnhof is a common name for railway termini in German cities. In many cases the hauptbahnhof was developed after a number of railway companies with different termini, often named for the district in which they were located, were consolidated or nationalised, and a new station was built to which all services would run. Something similar is true for the "Union Station" that you find in several US cities — the station was built to serve as a common terminus for services operated by different railway companies which previously each had their own terminus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,491 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    And, even then, naming the airports for their location is common — Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted. This is probably more useful to travellers than calling them, say, Churchill, Pitt and Cromwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Giving them a name and sticking to it is the useful part. Heathrow is good, JFK is good (we'll just ignore the Idlewild period), Charles DeGaul, Linate etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,838 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Heathrow was just London Airport for many years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,758 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But it doesn't help you get to them because you don't know where Euston, Blackfriars etc. are on the map.

    You have to know where Liverpool street is to find the station so it's just as easy know where the station is.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    And worth noting that the official names of all the above also include London:

    • London Heathrow Airport (LHR)
    • London Gatwick Airport (LGW)
    • London Stansted Airport (STN)

    Personally I feel if a city has only one major airport or train station, then calling by the city name is best. Dublin Airport, Cork Rail Station, etc. Nice and simple.

    If a city has multiple major airports/stations, then I use the London approach above. So, I'd call it Dublin Heuston, Dublin Connolly, etc.

    Heuston, Connolly, I'd prefer if they were original after the part of the city they were in, or perhaps something like Dublin Central West Station, Dublin Central East Station, etc. but I certainly wouldn't change it now that people are use to them as is.

    I certainly wouldn't call new stations like Blarney and Blackpool, anything but Blarney/Blackpool.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    As Croydon Airport was London Airport from 1920 until WW II as the only international airport serving London.

    Then Heathrow became London Airport until it was renamed Heathrow Airport. Then Gatwick, Luton, Stanstead, and latest - Southend - all became airports serving London.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,283 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You forgot London City 😉

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,916 ✭✭✭GerardKeating




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,838 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Heathrow is also in Greater London.

    Gatwick is in Sussex, Luton in Bedfordshire and Stansted and Southend in Essex.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,491 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Linate is so called because it's at Linate. The other airports serving Milan, Malpensa and Bergamo, are similarly named.

    (Malpensa does in fact have another name — it's Silvio Berlusconi Airport. Nobody uses the name, which I suppose illustrates your point.)

    Little known fact: it was orginally Harmondsworth Aerodromw; then The Great West Aerodrome; then Heath Row Aerodrome; then Heathrow Airport; then London Airport; then Heathrow Aiport again. Offficially, it's still Heathrow Airport, but "London Heathrow" is often used. It was privately owned (by Fairey Aviation, who were aircraft manufacturers) until the Air Ministry requisitioned it in 1944.

    People who live in London know where Euston, Blackfriars, Liverpool St, Charing Cross, Victoria St, etc are. The stations were named for their convenience, not for yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,758 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I lived in London so it was for me.

    People know Liverpool St. station because it is Liverpool St. station. It doesn't matter a fuk to them that it's on Liverpool street and that's not how they know where it is.

    Take Southwark station as an example. Southwark is a whole council district but people know where the station is because it's the station (on Blackfriars rd. same as Blackfriars station)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭D.L.R.


    Agreed. Don't like the political names, esp considering services cross the border. Especially pointless in small towns with one station.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,283 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Silvio Berlusconi Airport 🤮🤮🤮

    Imagine if we had Charlie Haughey Airport… or Bishop Casey Airport 😯

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,491 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    SFAIK the only airports in Ireland that are named after someone are Casement Airport (renamed from Baldonnell at the same time as Heuston, Connolly, Pearce etc stations were renamed) and George Best Belfast City Airport (renamed in 2006).

    I think there's a strong case for naming an airport after Dermot Morgan, given the cool head and exceptional courage that he displayed in averting an aviation disaster on the Flight into Terror.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,037 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The renamings were of their time, those three (plus Kent) are the only ones that seem to have stuck in general usage. I guess we should be thankful(?) they were named after auld rebels and not called Archbishop McQuaid or Blessed Virgin Mary Central or something.

    The nearby bridge has not been called King's Bridge for many many years.

    Ask anyone where Ceannt (confusingly close to Kent), Casement or O'Hanrahan are you'll be likely met with a blank stare.



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