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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • #8492
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Being anti-Israel ≠ being anti-semetic.



  • #8493
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384613#Comment_121384613

    No but when it comes to Israel the crazy is always just around the corner.



  • #8494
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384613#Comment_121384613

    An obvious rationale but also the precise reason I avoid the subject like the plague. Just becomes too easy to shut down debate by screaming anti-Semite the moment it gets uncomfortable



  • #8495
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384176#Comment_121384176

    I feel some degree of sympathy for Linda Yaccarino, albeit speaking as someone without any knowledge of her background. She has a thankless task cos it's blatantly clear she's a figurehead to give Musk plausible deniability but he has made enough pronouncements to show he's driving the bus, Yaccarino the front of shop. And when someone needs to take the blame, she'll be given the boot (albeit with a golden parachute)

    Her statement is craven, empty bullshít but she also knows the obvious responses to this business crisis aren't available to her - or the department heads either.



  • #8496
    hoodie6029
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Edit:Gone

    One Blue Sky invite code for whoever wants it. PM. First come, first served.

    (bold for attention)

    Post edited by hoodie6029 on

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



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  • #8497
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384564#Comment_121384564

    I didn't say the vast majority of Irish people agree with anti semitism.

    X is still thriving with Irish people from what I can see. Popular as ever with the cohort with like news and current affairs.



  • #8498
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384613#Comment_121384613

    That's not how America sees it.

    And the American establishment is turning away from Musk.



  • #8499
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,633 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384539#Comment_121384539

    Nah, there is lots of criticism of specific actions of the Israeli state in Ireland at present, but very little anti semitism. And there should be no anti semitism, of course.

    But criticism of Israel =/ Anti semitism, and you know this too.



  • #8500
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,836 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1725915754950734274?s=19

    Great to see they don't plan on backing down.



  • #8501
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383165#Comment_121383165

    I'm quoting myself here because I just copped this..

    He will just suspend accounts that advocate genocide and not ban them from free speech platform so he leaves it open to reinstate those accounts when the outrage moves onto something else on his free speech platform.



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  • #8502
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383366#Comment_121383366

    It's been happening for months now, with their ads displaying along side racist, misogynist tweets and worse. How did IBM only discover their zero tolerance policy now?



  • #8503
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm sure musk's buddies in Iran, Russia, the Arab world and China will be more then happy to fund his Twitter operations. It's basically their biggest misinformation platform as it is.



  • #8504
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I used to think Elon Musk was an interesting guy doing great things.

    Then he started posting on Twitter and it became clear he's an absolute, cringe-inducing moron.

    Reminds me of Trump. Obviously not lacking smarts, but sorely lacking smarts in the most basic social awareness.

    I just cannot understand how people like that are so blatantly intelligent in some ways, and so despondably braindead in others.



  • #8505
    Hangdogroad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,855 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121386768#Comment_121386768

    Its been clear what kind of character he is since the pedo (sic) smear on the diver in the Thai cave rescue.



  • #8506
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384652#Comment_121384652

    I avoid the subject like the plague

    Which is the precise result that the screamers want.



  • #8507
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121387741#Comment_121387741

    Probably but I don't have the energy to get sucked into the argument that increasingly finds itself bereft of middleground - mostly due to circumstances that occur.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121386632#Comment_121386632

    Who could say: maybe it simply came down to an excess of trust that Twitter's algorithm was intact enough the adverts were applied against appropriate content. It took an outside agency to actually dig, and thus we're seeing the retrospective responses by corporations.

    Trust in Twitter is cratering and the glib joke it'll devolve into 8chan never more seemingly prescient. If journalists abandon it, that could be it.



  • #8508
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121386632#Comment_121386632

    They were the last company to pull out from dealing with trump so par for the course with them.

    Another company that used to be a household name that nearly went down the spout and is struggling to find a niche.

    Post edited by I.R.Y.E.D on


  • #8509
    3d4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭3d4life


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121386632#Comment_121386632

    'cause Ads ( and a lot of other stuff ) are blocked before they enter the IBM world


    Why dont you try to do the same ?



  • #8510
    Colten Little Bellboy
    Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384426#Comment_121384426

    I really don't think that's a fair commentary on Ireland. There's active criticism of a particularly right wing Israeli government's policies and actions. That does not equate to anti-semitism, nor is it anything to do with the very offensive comments aimed at the Jewish community being referenced, which were a load of bizarre, racist, conspiracy theory manure - it was both anti-semitic and simultaneously more broadly racist.

    Twitter always had problems with utterly obnoxious posts - every social media platform does to varying degrees, but it also combated them and worked towards making itself a reasonable, and somewhat more respectable social media platform.

    None of that's happening anymore and it's just rapidly turning into some kind of Parlour / 4Chan type mess.

    Twitter is gone. It's quite literally gone. You're looking at a new platform called X which has a completely different set of policies and a rather more toxic vibe.



  • #8511
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389262#Comment_121389262

    Twitter was a cess pit. Nothing has changed.

    And if it's so bad, why is it so popular in Ireland? Why don't people leave it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • #8512
    Colten Little Bellboy
    Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389322#Comment_121389322

    On what basis are you assuming it’s particularly popular in Ireland? The core of Irish Twitter has been hollowed out dramatically since 2022. The number of accounts vs number of active users are also not the same things.

    The biggest platforms by far in Ireland at present are Instagram and TikTok



  • #8513
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389398#Comment_121389398

    Well this was always the case. Twitter is a niche social media platform for opinionated people interested in news and current affairs.

    Among this cohort, it is extremely popular. Just look at the engagement of high profile Irish journalists on twitter/X. No sign yet of a decline in usage from what I can see.

    Virgin Media crowd tweet absolutely anything on it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #8514
    Colten Little Bellboy
    Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389434#Comment_121389434

    I’m not really understanding what you mean by: “why is it so popular in Ireland? Why don't people leave it.”

    It isn’t and they do.

    A lot of Twitter users that used to be interesting accounts just stopped posting or reduced how much they post. You can see that fairly clearly.

    In terms of ad spend it’s Insta and TikTok.



  • #8515
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389460#Comment_121389460

    I'm just repeating myself.

    Twitter was always one of the least popular social media platforms but among those who like current affairs and news makers and movers, it is extremely popular.

    Musk was attempting to broaden the appeal of X to get some of the Instagram/Tic tok market.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #8516
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389322#Comment_121389322

    Is it really?

    If you took the journalists and politicians off it what would be left really?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #8517
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389511#Comment_121389511

    It always was a niche platform. A few tweets in Ireland and it's suddenly "trending".

    I thought it was completely mental to buy Twitter for such a large amount of money.



  • #8518
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389543#Comment_121389543

    It only makes sense if your intent is to use it to dominate the political discourse. People discuss politics - including the regulation of wealth - in the public square. If you privatise the public square then you can ban discussion harmful to your own interests and promote those which advance them. Of course, this only occurred to the owners of Twitter after Musk bought it.

    People are willing to accept financial losses in the short term if it means they set the boundaries of public speech in the long term. Now, it is a different question is Musk is smart enough to realise that - he seems to be a dumb libertarian who think's there is a free marketplace of ideas where everyone freely debates concepts and the best ones rise to the surface by natural debate.



  • #8519
    Colten Little Bellboy
    Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Colten Little Bellboy


    Well, it was never a public square, it was private and managed venue, with public access.

    If you take it to a pub analogy. He's the wealthy landlord who bought the pub (due to having been forced to by losing a bet effectively) but understood nothing about the way pubs work. He paid way over the odds thinking he could drive the conversation and create a new space, and be belle of the ball and talk of the town.

    So he changed the decor - adding a lot of weird looking dark paint and bare metal finishes which he thought were cool but nobody else did, changed the name over the door, fired the bouncers, fired the popular bar staff, the entire ambience changed, he started alienating most of the customers, shouted obnoxious things out the door, which resulted in bands no longer wanting to play gigs there... Now he's just got a bunch of weirdos sitting around the bar who make a lot of noise, agree with him a lot, but spend no money- no interesting conversation, no interesting bands, a weird brand over the door that nobody recognises and the money in the till is drying up ... So, in response he's implemented a cover charge, and is wondering why nobody's paying.



  • #8520
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,764 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389837#Comment_121389837

    I'm not sure how much he could ever save in the long term to offset the enormous losses he's taken buying Twitter, but it looks like the game he was playing never involved being forced into going through with the purchase. Then there are also other platforms pushing to the surface because X is so unfit for purpose. I think you're right about him being a little too much of a dumb/naive libertarian type to ever make it work.



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  • #8521
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121390025#Comment_121390025

    The reality is that a lot of the old hands thought they were the décor, the ambience and the atmosphere in their sterile bubble. New management came in, wanted a more upmarket style and the grognards are still grumbling about being turfed out.

    I've extremely low belief in Musk but if he so irritates and enrages the right people, then his purchase of Twitter is at least a win. I view it as cancer versus the black death - whoever wins...well, humanity gets a pause.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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