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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Next week elections in Holland will likely change things even more. The new NSC has upset the traditional parties and are likely to become the biggest.A recent poll has highlighted the rise of the PVV who are truely anti immigration and Green Agenda. They might overtake the top three as they poll not far away, especially since the NSC seems to want the green way to go ahead, though they are opposed to 'stikstof' measures from the previous cabinet (not Co2).The other newcomer BBB is also not keen on a lot of green policies. It will be interesting..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Did you find yet how much 37 GW of offshore wing will cost to build, maintain for lifetime of 25 years and replace every quarter of a century?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    So no figures?

    From yesterday 66% increase in offshore wind costs next door in uk (a country with offshore industry and industrial expertise and financial sector unlike Ireland)




  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I could say the same of your nuclear fantasies, but I won't.

    Just gonna repeat that Ah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    The strike price for floating offshore in above article is now almost twice hinkley c which will operate for 2.5 to 3x longer than wind turbine lifespan

    and hinkley c was repeatedly held up as example of expensive nuclear (because they went with a new reactor design instead of building what works)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Offshore wind is a proven technology with many GW already installed. There is no technical reason why Ireland will not have massive amounts of offshore wind built out in the next decade.

    Ireland doesn't have many GW already installed of Offshore wind. We had a paltry 25MW off Arklow, recently reduced because lightning blew the seven shades out of one of the turbines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    We don’t have decades of offshore oil and gas industry either like UK does who can tap into established expertise especially around Scotland and one of the largest financial markets in London

    Which is why @Shoog is not able to answer the basic question of how much will this 37GW of offshore wind will cost to build and operate and rebuild every 25 years

    if we take the latest UK figures that 200+ bn every quarter of decade starts to look wildly optimistic and that’s before we get to the topic of where the hell will all the excess go



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Until you can bare to broach the question of how much Ireland onshore nuclear waste containment facilities will cost ( including the long term storage of waste) and the decommissioning costs of plants, your not remotely serious about considering costings. Your just grandstanding.

    Who said anything about Ireland GWs of offshore wind, certainly not me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Finland build storage 814 million dollars, our geography is even better

    Still didn’t find those figures for the pie in the sky dreams for which the Irish taxpayers would get the bill making NAMA ( which I see you ranting about in another thread) look like children’s play

    here is the 37GW by 2050 nonsense

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    https://marine-ireland.ie/node/901



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,743 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Ah, but it won't. Because a high court challenge to the effect of these guidelines is already in preparation.

    They attempt to ride roughshod over local government democracy and disempower local people, which is contrary to the entire thrust of the 2014 Local Government Act, and so must be struck down.

    And as you know, both local and general elections aren't far away, so this illegal guidance on Section 38, in particular, will be tossed around litigiously, until the Green presence in local and national politics is obliterated at these polls and then it can be binned altogether.

    Thanks Mannix! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    All political parties in Ireland operate within the EU directed framework, otherwise they will be cut off from the ECB lifeline that bailed out the Irish establishment back in the early 2010s. A government without the Green party will do the bare minimum to keep the EU bureaucrats off it's back and the money flowing, as these policies become increasingly intolerable to the public and cost them votes, that will change. At present every political party has "Green" policies, It's a tick box item to shut down an attack vector in the run up to election, the general public has higher priorities. Resistance comes from independent TDs and new organizations like Farmers Alliance that have arisen in the face of direct threats from EU directives. There are organisations such as the Irish Climate Science Forum that are allied with Clintel. Engineers Ireland are outlining reality of energy security in Ireland. Most industry groups play nice with the eNGOs, they use "green" in their marketing, it's part of today's zeitgeist.

    The tide comes in and it goes out, the eNGOs, politicians, pension funds, and industries who hopped on the Green bandwagon over the past two decades did so in an era of energy security and cheap finance. German industry let the various Angela Merkel led governments continue with the Energiewende because they were using a parallel energy system (gas from Russia) to power their industry, now faced with a shortage of gas, the alternative unreliable and expensive energy system cannot meet their needs, they are shutting down at home and moving abroad. German economic policy is based on mercantilism, they take raw materials and export higher value goods. Right before our eyes Germany is de-industrialising.

    Germany industry is not the only exporter, the Germans "green" politics have been very successfully exported across the EU as well. You must read the Greens/Alliance 90 manifesto "The future is green". This shapes every Green party across Europe, they all follow Germany. Since Britain left, Germany is the sole dominant paymaster to the EU project. Green politics are only possible due to wealth accumulated on the back of industrialisation, they are inextricably linked. Always, remember the bicycle is a product of the industrial revolution.

    Russia & Ukraine, the outcome of this war will dictate energy policy in Europe for the next 30 years. At present it looks like the Russian state will scrape an ugly victory and annex the south east of Ukraine, the conflict freezes. There is no economic recovery without sufficient energy. What will the people in Germany do? The future of green policies throughout the EU depends on them.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Yes. I had a look at that yesterday. The UK government has committed itself and ( i think) signed long term contracts agreeing to pay frankly insane higher prices (50-70%). This is lunacy on a grand scale. Committed to an ideology over the heads of their own citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Ah.

    Maybe we could adopt this approach to every future green idea?

    Ah.

    Wonderful.

    Ah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Marcos


    It's heartening to see the Greens longstanding strong approach to local democracy. This from their election manifesto in 2014 suggesting local referendums for transport infrastructure projects:

    "Local referendums should be provided for major transport infrastructure and redevelopments, the Green Party has suggested. Launching their local elections manifesto yesterday, the Greens also maintain that locals should have a direct say in how a portion of the council budget is spent."

    But that was then, this is now:

    Under new guidelines from Eamon Ryan's Department, there'll be no more of that let me tell you. This from the Dublin Enquirer

    "Under new guidelines issued by the Department of Transport, the council shall no longer do public consultations before trialling things like cycle lanes, or filtered permeability systems, Dublin City Council’s transport chief says."

    No doubt there'll be some who will say but Marcos this is for medium projects, as if Eamo's Department hasn't moved the goalposts. It's very Jesuitical and reminds me of Trevor Sargent saying he wouldn't lead the Greens into coalition with FF only to resign as leader on the eve of them going into coalition with FF for the first time.

    They are really showing their contempt for (local) democracy, but then again they distrust the plebs to vote the correct way. So they rule by diktat. What do you expect of a party who's leader Eamon Ryan said on video that he would welcome a one world government if it bypassed democracy and implemented all the Green policies over all opposition?

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    The Citizens of Galway are very much aware of how the Greens went out of their way to destroy the Galway Bypass and Athenry Apple datacenter despite repeatedly voting in local and national candidates who are not de growth numpties



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's unlikely to be the result you expect and more than likely will lead to further advances

    But we'll wait and see.

    Hope you have sent Pannix a thank you card, I did 😊



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apple killed their data centre, nobody else, well they haven't submitted a fresh application since the extension was quashed

    RTE news : Planning extension for Apple Galway data centre quashed





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    “””

    but two years later in 2018 it decided it would not proceed after protracted legal challenges delayed its start.

    ”””

    those protracted legal challenges were put in place due to green bullshit

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/legal-challenge-brought-against-planning-extension-for-apple-data-centre-1.4669514

    in meantime they are building a second datacenter in Denmark who last I checked we share the same planet and environment with

    Apple given up on Galway precisely due to “Green policies that ruin this country” yet the environment is still in same position as they just build elsewhere



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not quite, apple in Denmark will be using near 100% renewables, very different to the outcome if built in Ireland at present.

    Maybe they chose Denmark because of this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Ah yes they will be using the infamous Green Electron Spin Dicriminators to block non Green electrons

    /s

    btw Denmark gets quite a bit of electricity from nuclear powered Sweden and hydrocarbon rich Norway and brown coal burning Germany

    Perhaps if you find that costing for 37GW of offshore wind then we can also power our datacenters on hot air?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So Denmark having one of the highest penetrations of renewables in the world would be insignificant then. Funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭creedp


    A perfect example of Green Party NIMBYism. Emissions are grand so long as not in Ireland. The only other justification I can think of is that they are convinced that the planet's climate is particularly vulnerable to Irish emitted CO2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    You have spend pages and pages arguing against Ireland having cheap and green and reliable energy and not bothered to provide the cost of the every more expensive offshore wind



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So Norway having vast amounts of renewables on tap hasn't influenced company policy in where to invest. It's almost as if renewables are attractive to inward investment - who would have guessed.

    You walked into this one, stop digging.

    Large companies in Ireland are trying to buy up every watt of renewables been put onto the grid and the lack of renewables capacity is a bottleneck to inward investment.

    Better jog on and get the capacity they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Denmark is not Norway it does however get a lot of energy forom Norway and Germany who are far from cleanest in Europe and Sweden who are the cleanest thanks to nuclear

    Wheres that costing for 37GW offshore wind? How much will Irish taxpayers and consumers be on hook for your green corruption schemes??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Any lack of inward investment isn't because of renewables, it's because of grid capacity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    The point here is that Apple tried to invest in a poor part of country and the Green bullshit tied them up in courts for years until they threw in the towel and gave up

    Apple were even willing to pay for Green projects


    which just shows how much bullshit @Shoog has consumed

    this was going to be a “Green” project powered by only green electrons 🤣

    Its obvious from this thread that Greens don’t actually care about climate change and all that, when you scratch under the surface they just disgruntled far lefties with a mean and begrudging authoritarian streak



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The challenge was taken by a local man who, had issues with the EIA and some content of the planning application. Nothing to do with the Green Party

    Besides, locals in Athenry have moved on, Dexcom are bringing 10 times the jobs to the town



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Denmark is not Norway it does however get a lot of energy forom Norway and Germany who are far from cleanest in Europe

    Jesus wept 🤦‍♂️

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