Leaf 40 V Ioniq 28

Ioniq is an infinitely better car. Period. I've had 2 leafs and 2 Ioniq 28!

Long term resale on the Leaf likely to be terrible as Chademo becomes extinct for public charging.

i agree with also. in a couple of years the value of the car would be mainly for its battery so there will always be some value.

on choice..... the answers depends on your use case.

city driving/short commutes? then leaf is your answer. it was in my case. out of 365 days in the year maybe 10 of them is where i need chademo if even that many.

however if you have any long commute or reason to go elsewhere that is alot further out then Ioniq would be better to go.

some points on the scaremongering

rapid gate only happens if attempting to do very long distances with multiple charges.... I've done 500km in a leaf over the course of a day, just plan your route.... have backup charge points in mind... allow for plenty of time. However as i said if doing this regularly... Ioniq is the car to have..... remember there is always destination chargers ( AC charging)

For the matter of Chademo going extinct: it costs about 3k to current change out the chademo to CSS, it will be some day but the reality now is there will be no new chademo points at least from ESB (plugsurfing and easygo still doing). they are not taking them away but as the units become old/defective i doubt they will be replaced like for like. So knowing that the chademo can be replaced with CCS is food for thought if holding on vehicle long term.

If both leave at 100% yes both will need 1 charge to get there

Ioniq will offer more convenient charging options and less waiting at charge points. Also less worry about broken ones too. Plus the ioniq has a way better efficiency.... With leaf you need to stick with leafspeed or take a hit on range... When I'm on motorway it's 100 or 105 depending on conditions. So be happy about that as well.... As ioniq can do better faster.

Test drive both cars, one is a saloon the other is hatchback. See what you like....

My only issue I have with leaf is with Chademo plug otherwise fantastic budget e car. I haven't looked into the ccs upgrade but wonder how it implements it due to the leaf using passive cooling. I would expect to throttle input to Chademo speed.

Those trips to Waterford will be a pain and likely to get worse as Chademo charge points disappear along the route. You should also consider an eGolf if you can find one within budget. Not quite as efficient as the Ioniq but has CCS, is better built and much more upmarket inside than either the Leaf or Ioniq.

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Limited in terms of range as they only have a 38kWh battery and they were too expensive when new and sold in very small numbers here. Range when fully charged usually varies between 180km and 240km depending on weather, cabin heating and driving style. 120kph Motorway range will be even less like all EV’s. Nice to drive and the Executive version looks very similar to a Golf GTE/GTI. Worth test driving one if it works for your budget. An Ioniq is a better rated EV and cheaper but it’s got a pretty low rent interior like most Korean cars of that era.

Have you looked at id3?

20 000 euro, https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id3/35636390

I think it wiser to spend 20k on that car than 15k on something short range and going obsolete, the ID3 will get more numerous in the 2nd hand market and in a year or 2 it will be impossible to get any value for a leaf or ioniq.

eGolf Battery is 35.8kWh with 32kWh usable, my mistake. The Ioniq has 28kWh usable. Very little in it. I’d suggest you drive all 3 cars and make up your own mind but for me the eGolf is the better drivers car. The Ioniq would be the most sensible choice as it will be the cheapest to run. I would avoid the Leaf because of Chademo unless it it was really really cheap and I was prepared to run it into the ground.

How about getting rid of the diesel, keeping the leaf?

Don't know much about it, but I was doing Waterford, Galway anyway regularly and wanted an EV. I'd be going ID3. Bigger battery, faster charging.

Between the leaf and Ioniq people on this forum with experience all seen to prefer the Ioniq.

For driving arrive town not much in it, I preferred the eGolf, I don't like the touch interface on the ID3 but I'd live with it, if I needed the range. If I didn't need the range I like the eGolf. But I wouldn't buy the eGolf if I did long journeys. I look at it as a bigger better equipped eUp. As the ID3 drop it's dropping the eGolf.

In that Bjorn rated the old eGolf (Vs old leaf) did better than the old leaf not simply because of low battery degradation but because of faster charging. Made a big different on a longer journey. But in real life you wouldn't buy an eGolf for that journey. It was an academic test. Bjorn is brilliant for all those tests.

After all that. If you like the Leaf is a decent well equipped car if you mostly home charge. Which is 90% of us. Has lots of lovely buttons. It's just been over priced. As have many of these EVs.

If you can wait I'd look out for a well equipped ID3 to pop up at a decent price.

17k

Considering it’s from a Dealer and presumably has some dealer warranty included, I don’t think so. You could get a newer Leaf with less miles for that money but they are inferior in terms of range/efficiency/chademo. Similarly Zoe also available at that money but much smaller car. eGolfs are even more expensive.

Battery warranty is 200,000km or 8 years. General everything warranty is 5 years so already gone.

If you do low mileage and will reach 200,000km by late 2015 then you will maximise warranty. If you do high mileage then car will start to enter higher risk zone with no warranty and possibilty of big issue. Personally I would stretch to 20k and shop around for a 64kWh battery car like Niro, or go a few thousand more for a low mileage ioniq. Either way the warranty won't be great for a long term buy. Typically most EVs are ok up to 200,000km but after that is a bit unknown with things like door handles possibly breaking.