Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

More collective punishment.

Fear for patients as Gaza hospital care disintegrates (rte.ie)

Gaza communications down as 'energy runs out'

Gaza's main telecommunications companies Paltel and Jawwal said all telecom services in Gaza had gone down, as all energy sources supplying the network had run out.

Reuters journalists have been unable to reach anyone inside Shifa hospital for more than 24 hours.

The World Health Organization said it was trying to arrange a medical evacuation of patients from Shifa, but was hindered by security concerns and the inability to communicate with anyone there.

WHO officials understood around 600 patients were still inside, including 27 in critical condition.

All hospitals in northern Gaza have effectively been shut down by Israeli forces.

There was a debate last night in TCD, where some student caused a ruckus and started shouting "Allahu Akbar" and waving his fists aggressively at an Israeli student next to him.

What a piece of $hit.

And the hostages who wandered onto the grounds by themselves, probably escaped from Hamas and were seeking medical treatment before falling on the ground and dying.

We were told there were no Hamas in the hospitals, we were told there were no tunnels in the hospitals, we were told there were no hostages in the hospitals, that is what posters on here spent the last three or four days telling us. All of it is untrue, as is the rest of the pro-Hamas propaganda they are spouting 24/7 about the situation.

I think it is more than kinda rude to be demanding proof off everyone else when pretty much everything you have posted on the conflict has turned out to be false.

Ye are very excited today.

I believe there was a hostage found near the hospital. Near.

That absolutely validated the IDF using snipers to shoot people in the hospital.

Now back to the question about attacking hospitals (and cutting off their power, supplies, food, water).

Article 19

The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants which have not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.

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Please list the acts harmful to the enemy that caused the Gazan hospitals to lose their protection. How many shots/rockets fired from the hospital? Why is the hospital not functioning?

Defending the war on hospitals?

From my link above.

Human Rights Watch cautioned that hospitals have special protections under international humanitarian law.

"Hospitals only lose those protections if it can be shown that harmful acts have been carried out from the premises," the watchdog's UN Director Louis Charbonneau told Reuters.

Three hostages and counting, so far?

That is evidence.

I want you to reply to this post just once :)

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It appears you and I are a hospital denier now 😂

The irony is that Israel has effectively closed all hospitals in Northern Gaza.

They are denying the citizens of Gaza healthcare. A violation of international law.

Wow and they have cut the comms too.

The aim of war on hospitals is to remove them from Northern Gaza altogether.

That poor hostage probably died like many others because of an Israeli strike. Very indiscriminate bombings. Many have said that this might happen and the relatives in particular have have continually warned about it happening.

The very fact that there was nothing of substance found in the hospital proves that the Israeli 'intelligence' was false and now with them talking about booby traps is just aggravating the situation with the intent of stopping the hospital from functioning and the threat of many more deaths.

4,600 children have died so far in Gaza. 40 in Israel. All needlessly because talks will eventually take place.

"Nothing of substance", moving on from "Hamas aren't there", is another sign of the goalposts shifting. Over the next few days, as Israel find more and more evidence of Hamas activity at the hospitals, how far do you expect to shift the position?

Nothing found that would even remotely require the sledgehammer tactics used. I fear the Israelis will have to plant some more 'evidence' to try to justify their actions.

I dunno, a few rusty guns have people on here convinced it was justified. Same people don't understand proportionally or international law, same people wouldn't have batted an eyelid has the IDF just bombed the hospital.

The war on hospitals continue, the IDF running out of hospitals in Gaza so they switch attention to the west bank.

No, there won't be a gotcha moment. The Israeli actions do not clearly fall under the classification of war crimes, there will be evidence to be sorted through, was there sufficient warnings to civilians, was the intelligence reliable enough to justify the attack, was the attack proportionate etc. That will be decided over years, so there will be no gotcha moment to say yes or no.

Even in the hospital, Hamas delayed the IDF sufficiently for nearly a day to allow for the command centre to be evacuated through other tunnels and even collapsed. It will therefore take weeks to fully establish the extent of Hamas activity on the hospital grounds.

At some point in the future, probably a couple of years, it will be possible for someone to admit they were wrong, when the evidence is conclusively ruled upon. Until then, opinions will differ. That is a good thing, because it allows for discussion and debate.

For me, the useful thing to follow is something like the EU's position, as they always have a compromised middle ground position. They were fully behind the Israeli right to self-defence, wanted the immediate release of the hostages, and when they start calling for a ceasefire, you know that the chances of Israeli military action achieving any further success will be gone. The EU are already beginning to look beyond the conflict, to the future.