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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander



    There is no physical evidence linking Hitler to the holocaust. That is a fact. I would say it's also a fact that the odds of Hitler not knowing about the Holocaust are so comically astromonical they are not even worth writing down.

    But, by your own logic, we cannot be sure and should not take it as fact without said proof, despite it being overwhelmingly obvious via common sense even a larva would possess, that he did.

    There are reports of booby-traps in Gaza. There have been in every conflict there for years. IDF soldiers have been killed by booby traps. Do you think it's all a great conspiracy? That for the last 20 years Hamas has been the first insurgency/armed forces in world history to not use booby traps?

    So where's the denial? Oh yeah, there isn't any, nor did I compare "asking for evidence" to "holocaust denial". It doesn't even make sense. Saying there's no evidence linking Hitler to the holocaust is a) true, b) doesn't remotely suggest the holocaust didn't happen or c) doesn't mean that 99.999% of people don't perfectly believe Hitler was the architect of that crime.

    Really it's just you throwing out buzz words because actually you have no answer to the question because it contradicts your nonsense about "booby traps aren't real unless there's hard, independent proof" and rather then actually address that you just deflect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The IDF said in the tweet they found a booby trapped vehicle but the vehicle was not booby trapped. Simple matter of fact.

    "EXPOSED:

    In the Shifa Hospital complex, IDF troops found a hidden booby-trapped vehicle containing a large number of weapons, including:

    · AK-47s

    · RPGs

    · sniper rifles

    · grenades

    · other explosives


    See for yourself:" But we see for ourselves and the soldiers in the video simply make no mention of booby traps and seem perfectly comfortable around the car and around the alleged ammunition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    He looks like he is preoccupied with a hole in a ceiling of some woman's gaff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You lost me. I'm not a holocaust denier. Stop it. We know it happened because of irrefutable evidence not up for litigation here. Going off about Hitler when all we need is reporting on any actual booby traps here in the present time, at the current place under the microscope, especially the alleged Command and Control Headquarters of Hamas.

    There are reports of booby-traps in Gaza.

    Great!

    Untitled Image

    Please provide them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BTW that's yet another case where they alleged to have found loads of explosives but again, no booby trap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jewish American ceasefire rally/riot(?) in DC broken up by police at DNC HQ.

    The group claims it was nonviolently blocking the doors to 1 entrance, and that the police injured 90 of them. 100s arrested so far in recent weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭gotaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Hostage rescued from al-Shifa hospital:

    Dead of course but at least now she can rest in peace and will not have to suffer any more of the Palestinian hatred and Hamas abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭jay1988


    Let's be honest, it's because Putins not Muslim, it's as plain as day to see with a lot of posters here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Of course they are comfortable walking around the vehicle, because the booby trap has been neutralized, it it was still active, they wouldn't go within an asses roar of it. They have special teams to handle VBIEDS. which this vehicle was.

    As for proof of booby trapped tunnels here you go from the Times of Israel:-

    Five Israeli reserve soldiers were killed during fighting in the northern part of the Gaza Strip on Friday, the Israel Defense Forces announced on Saturday evening, bringing the death toll of soldiers killed during Israel’s ground operation in Gaza to 42.

    Of the five soldiers, four were members of the 551st Brigade’s 697th Battalion and were killed by a blast from a booby-trapped tunnel shaft next to a mosque in the Beit Hanoun area. The troops were not inside the tunnel.

    The IDF identified them as Maj. (res.) Moshe Yedidyah Leiter, Sgt. Maj. (res.) Yossi Hershkovitz, Master Sgt. (res.) Matan Meir, and Master Sgt. (res.) Sergey Shmerkin.

    Remember the bomb was inside tghe tunnel, and the IDF were outside, yet the blast was so severe, it managed to kill them. And people wonder why the IDF are moving very slowly tackling the tunnels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭RobbieV


    Just the next step in the campaign.

    Hamas need to release the hostages and hand themselves over for punishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Of course they are comfortable walking around the vehicle, because the booby trap has been neutralized

    What booby trap? What neutralization? Where are you getting that from?? Where's the bomb squad???

    You appear to be playing games now, plagiarizing news reports without deigning to link to them. What's been so challenging today about posting your evidence??? Could have provided that hours ago, when you were asked for any, without the ad hominems or the rants about military experience. Jesus.

    Didn't happen near the hospital either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭mikewebber


    The idf don't enter tunnels

    It's too risky apparently, they use robots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    To who?

    When does Israel hand themselves over to the same body for similar war crimes?

    When does Israel release its hostages?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Dude

    They will have disconnected any booby trap before standing beside it making a video. Goodness me.

    You make some good points about some stuff but some of the rabbit holes like this that you go down all by yourself are incredible. Just saying.

    I mentioned earlier, according to the Jerusalem Post 4 IDF soldiers were killed by a booby trap outside a tunnel in the last week or so. Separately an interview with the medic said other soldiers lost limbs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "dude"

    The soldier made no mention of any booby trapping, whatsoever. "watch for yourself" the tweet from the IDF challenged. The video was watched, and no utterance or mention of a booby trap.

    "dude"

    I mentioned earlier, according to the Jerusalem Post 4 IDF soldiers were killed by a booby trap outside a tunnel in the last week or so. Separately an interview with the medic said other soldiers lost limbs.

    Must have missed it then. What post # was that.

    This one? You were vague on details, didn't even bother writing out the term booby trap, or even where or indeed when this would have occurred. Didn't bother to link to it and seemed to suggest it was propaganda:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm not aware of any 3rd country inspecting trucks going between 2 different countries. Unless of course that country is under occupation.

    The fact that every single truck of aid from Egypt has to drive into Israel for inspection and then afterwards be released to drive into Gaza is not standard procedure anywhere in the world.

    There is not a lack of aid for Gaza, countries around the world spend millions on aid for Gaza, the only obstacle is Israel. They dictate what and how much can enter Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    I can’t link it for some reason but the Jerusalem Post has an article today which mentions booby traps in the present conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd be inclined to think that in the case of the Egypt / Palestine / Israel, it would be more for Israel checking that no weapons were being trucked in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Which still directly indicates that Israel is an occupying force at that border, which is essential to the point being made that Gaza is afforded no control of any of its own borders or waters. ie. that it is an open-air prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    One way or another, the IDF will have to 'find' a Hamas command centre at the hospital. They will have to 'find' guns. Surely they can do better than a few rusty guns, surely they can cook up something more convincing or do they not care what the wider world think of them? This is a great opportunity to fully occupy Gaza but they need to make their actions at least slightly plausible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭gotaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If you go back a few posts, there's video showing the IDF members in tunnel / room they say is underneath the hospital. They also show a motorbike and some weapons. So, it looks like there are tunnels which are worth the risk (especially as they are looking for evidence that confirms what they say about Hamas using Hospitals, Schools, Apartment block's etc. as cover / human shields) and there are other ones that they consider too dangerous and will have to be taken out by other means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,371 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Imports and Exports also strictly controlled. Most fuel is smuggled in via tunnels to Egypt. The blockade ruined the Gaza economy. 50% unemployment, most dependent on aid to survive.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Heres the quote in question where a booby trap is mentuoned.:-

    EXPOSED:

    In the Shifa Hospital complex, IDF troops found a hidden booby-trapped vehicle containing a large number of weapons, including:

    · AK-47s

    · RPGs

    · sniper rifles

    · grenades

    · other explosives

    As others have mentioned, that booby trap was well taken care of by a specialized team, who were long gone by the time the all clear was given before anyone was allowed enter the area. Again, I repeat myself, that's SOP for dealing with VBED's. Now I ask you one more time. Who do you think those weapons/ explosives belonged to? Hamas or the IDF?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Heres the quote in question where a booby trap is mentuoned

    Yeah and it cited the video as it's evidence. A video which lended no support to there being any booby trap. I don't know why you want to keep circling that wagon.

    As others have mentioned, that booby trap was well taken care of by a specialized team, who were long gone by the time the all clear was given before anyone was allowed enter the area.

    No idea who you are referring to now. Post #? Source?

    I don't know, are the boxes marked MEDICAL SUPPLIES, medical supplies? What you or I think is immaterial. What is fact is of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    The Palestinian Ambassador to Ireland making a fool of herself.

    "Hamas would definitely respect a ceasefire...!!"

    Pity they broke it on October 7th.

    .

    .

    "Hamas is definitely not a terrorist group, they are an integral part of the Palestinian people."


    Also refuses to condemn what Hamas did on October 7th.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    To be honest you are far too obsessed with trying to nitpick at the smallest things.

    This by x10000


    This culture of nitpicking and trying to find fault with everything is similar to what Holocaust deniers do. Many of those people admit that Jews did die but will fight tooth and nail about the figures, and methods and some will deny they were even gassed. Nickping eh!?



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