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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Why are the Irish government so concerned about a 40% gender quota when their own cabinet only manages 26%?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Are you sure the irfu and GAA need to meet this requirement? I was under the impression they don’t. That it is a requirement for the bailout money?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Keeping him on has plummeted us further down the rankings, been a waste of time for our developing players, taken away an opportunity for the new manager to get his ideas across and has humiliated Kenny himself. Saving money is the only plus really. But the FAI are still a shambles as you point out. Adding to the depression of the last 3 and a half years.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Ok, I missed that at the time.

    I wonder how the IRFU will take it.

    I still think there’s a certain irony in the government insisting on a gender quota that they don’t have any requirements to meet themselves.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Fotish


    Ah now, talking about results, do you not get the email ? results are not important !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,045 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Kenny and this team have amassed 6 points out of a possible 21.

    Won 2 out of 7 matches.

    28.57 % win rate….

    however badly this reflects on the FAI… it also reflects pretty poorly on Kenny himself….

    he should have the good grace now to say… “ didn’t go as I / we hoped, gave it my best, let someone else have a go “.

    he’d walk into another LOI job.

    this end to his tenure reflects very poorly on him as a person and football man…he should quit but I presume he’s hanging on to get pushed so he can get a payoff… that’s certainly what it looks like from here…..

    FAI are calling his bluff, can’t qualify so let him at it….then that takes care of paying him off and having to hire and pay for a replacement too,

    Kenny knows himself he’s not the man for the job…. He could quit, why doesn’t he ? Poor from him, he’s gone down a lot in my estimation….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    But it is not just league if Ireland clubs that pay players. It's also junior clubs that pay players for games and training. It might only be 50-100 euro a weeks but it swallows up funds that these clubs could use for youth development and facilities.

    I have heard of junior clubs where the wages bill is significant and allowing for sport capital grants rate allow for 2-300k in development every years.

    However league of Ireland clubs are in a league of there own. Look at Shamrock Rovers even there wealthy backers are getting fed up of the goings-on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,422 ✭✭✭nc6000


    His contract is up so no need to pay him off, they either give him another contract or bring in someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,045 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I thought he’s contracted till next year ? Yes I just checked he’s contracted till just after Euro 2024.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah he is. But pay it up a this stage and move on. How much would he be due in a lump sum? Some decent managers might become available between now and then so no point in leaving it sit like this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    He’s finishing up in about a week. Hope you can wait that long.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Should have been 2 years ago. Wouldn't have been left in charge of an under 14 team in the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yes Gusser, he’ll soon be gone and we’ll have a new brilliant manager and everyone in Irish football is going to live happily ever after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭crusd


    Thing is there is a makings of a good team starting to come together after been forced to cobble together journeymen, has beens and never would be's for the last few years.

    Bazunu

    Ebosele Collins Egan Manning

    Cullen Hodge

    Ogbene Moran Knight

    Ferguson

    That has the makings of a decent team in the next couple of years with players playing at a good level and suitable to play the style of football Kenny would have wanted to rather that the compromises he had to make due to the personnel he had available. The next manager looks like he might be lucky with the type of player coming through. Lets hope they dont revert to low block zombie football



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭randd1


    Who do you get though? Trappatoni and O'Neill got us to consecutive Euro's, and were lambasted for their negative tactics.

    The 2012 tournament was the worst possible draw, the best team in the world, a strong Italian side (who would get to the final), and a Croatia side brimming with quality. We were never getting out of that group. In 2016 we were decent enough, got through the group, and gave the hosts (and finalists) a right go in the last 16.

    And yet these lads were dumped. Kenny's side does at least try to play an attractive brand of soccer, but are as leaky as a sieve.

    What do we go with? Someone practical but uninspiring that gets results, or someone flamboyant that doesn't?

    Ideally you'd love to have someone that plays a decent style but gets the basics like defending/closing down/fats possession right, but do we have the players for that?

    While I think Kenny needs to go, and the results says so more than anything, I don't think a rushed appointment would be a good idea, and I reckon as well before an appointment is made that maybe it be made clear that the next manager might need to be playing a different style of soccer to what we'd like to see to get results.

    The one good thing Kenny's term might have done is temper our expectations as regards to what we need to be competitive. I'd take boring with good results and tournament qualification over semi-exciting with no danger to the opposition and constant defeats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    The narrative that has taken over is that Kenny wasn’t tactically adept enough to react in game to opponents.


    this may be true but I think the reality is more that we try to play out from the back with players too limited to be able to do that. I think the media are driving a narrative that we can play progressively but Kenny wasn’t good enough in game to set us up in a way that progressive football would bear fruit.


    and as for the final third, we are totally blunt in open play and depend on set pieces. We have no capacity to play through a defence other than get round the sides of them and try and whip in crosses.

    this will probably go over most of your heads but the Brazilians play a form of football called futsal where there is a huge emphasis on technically flashy dribbling skills and fooling defenses. Futsal is massive in Brazil and that is why, in my opinion, they produce the best attacking players in the world.

    Ireland has no futsal league or even an international team which is a total disgrace and I believe feeds into a big reason why we don’t produce flair players.

    Ireland produce big solid committed good hearted players who can run long and fast, win second balls, defend and attack set pieces. But when it comes to unlocking a defence we haven’t a culture of being able to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Ebosele has played feck all, we dont know much about him, manning? average. cullen isnt great, against Greece away I didnt hear his name mentioned until the 40th minute, he didnt touch the ball. hodge is unproven, moran the same. Sure we thought parrott was the next harry kane a few years ago. potential means nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Potential doesn’t mean nothing. That’s a throwaway line that is bollocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭crusd


    The squad in 2016 had 11 players over 30. It left a big hole with no one coming through. Ireland also only made the last 16 as a third place team thanks to Italy fielding the 2nd string side having already topped the group. France annihilated us but only scored 2 in the last 16.

    Also, zombie football tactics no longer work against even half decent sides. Qualifying for a euros should not be a measure of success. Its going to 32 teams. Only the sh*te wont qualify in the future. To be competitive in the Euros and to be in the frame for WC qualification ultra defensive football wont cut it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    No it isn't. loads of Irish players had potential over the years and never did anything in an Irish shirt. its pie in the sky rubbish.

    danny crowley was going to be the answer, playing in league 2 for notts county, gavin kilkenny another one, liam kelly, playing in league 2 now. lee o connor in league 2. connor clifford ended up back in league of ireland.the guy who could have played for sweden and luxembourg, the list is actually endless. some Irish soccer fans are like the english media the way they get carried away with themselves over players who may end up in the lower leagues and never even get 1 senior cap for Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    There is no evidence that UEFA plan to change to 32 teams. They have said the opposite. The future is 24 teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    A lot of those names were built up by fools.

    it’s a lot different to some of the players now. Ferguson and Collins and bazunu that have price tags or transfer fees between 15 and 125 million.

    saying potential means nothing is a reductive foolish statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭randd1


    What we're doing now isn't cutting it either, but a solid structure may be the difference in getting a result or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Well collins and Baz arent exactly living up to those big price tags. if you include cullen in your list, I have to question how you judge a player, cullen is a journeyman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    There’s realism and pessimism. And you’re overly pessimistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    You have your head in the sand. if Bazunu went up for sale now, what would the price be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Ferguson is up for sale now and his price is 115 million. Why only focus on the negative. That’s why I call you a pessimist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭crusd


    Ebosle is starting in Serie A every week. Manning performing excellently at the top of the Championship, not a world beater but a solid option, Cullen a solid player who can play a role. And a team at the level Ireland strive to be at is always going to have to make do with few players who are solid but can fulfil roles in a system. Hodge and Moran are the type of players we needed to come through to make a functional team, which is exactly what I said in the post - "type of player". Even if they dont reach the very top of the game they are a player of a type we have not had coming through for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Serie A isnt what is used to be. championship means nothing.

    we will see but I wouldnt count my chickens with a lot of them, the exact same things were said about gavin kilkenny a few years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015




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