Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The spooky thing is that video, quite prophetic when you think about it.

There are those on both sides of this conflict who want that so you'll have to be more specific.

Has the translation into English been verified?

Confirmed once inside the hospital there was no fighting.

And yet they showed a calendar with days of the week claiming it was a list of names of Hamas people who were guarding the prisoners at the hospital.

Very very bad propaganda or maybe just inept. Maybe they believed before entering the hospital that it was a Hamas command center which held hostages. When none was found they began clutching at straws to see what they wanted to see, maybe to help justify the mass deaths the IDF have inflicted on women and children.

We're at the Russian level of craziness, maybe the IDF spokesman doesn't even really believe the crap they say, but they are so far down the rabbit tunnels, they keep going.

So the brave heroic fighters of the IDF managed to get past the doctors, patients and babies in the hospital and plant an Israeli flag on the roof. Granted a paraplegic man in a hospital bed had to be shot. He must have put up a fair bit of resistance

It's gone from show me evidence of a command center under the hospital yesterday to.... show me the evidence of a command center under the hospital today.

It's the IDF rowing back saying there's tunnels connecting to such and such..... No mention of a command center all of a sudden.

That might be there declared intention but, they can't succeed that's the point. If they thought they were capable of inflicting a military defeat of Israel this would be a wider war already. They haven't because they know they will be soundly beaten. That's why Iran talks a big game but is reduced to using proxies which are not a threat to Israels existence. It's almost as if the Iranians don't really believe in the rhetoric of martyrdom they use, a bit like the lads in Qatar!

@unkel Just a reminder on this. It's an important direct question. I have seen you skirt this before.

You said "It is not up to Israel to supply water, food, medical supplies, power, etc. by the way." which is patent nonsense.

I am beginning to sound like a broken record, your suggestion is a good one but there needs to be a twin approach - The Hamas leaders in Qatar need to be sanctioned and Qatar has to be given an ultimatum by the Americans: either give up the Hamas leaders or risk economic sanctions

Are you sure about 100,000 children being killed in the ongoing war in Yemen?

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So if the UN is correct, less children died in 364 weeks in Yemen than died in 4 weeks in Gaza.

Unfortunately, there are some conflicts/situations/scenarios that get more attention than others. It isn't always obvious why this is the case, part of it could be a snowball effect that as something is mentioned, it gets attention, and is mentioned more, and gets more attention and so on.

But I think why so many people are aggrieved about Israels actions comes down to a number of reasons.

• The proportionality of Israel's response has been so out of whack that it gets attention.
• The rhetoric from Israel about 'everyone is guilty', 'we are dealing with animals', 'we will have a Nakba' is very genocidal
• How western nations and the EU have supported them in their actions almost without question
• That despite the Jewish peoples recent history, that they would inflict pain and condemnation on a community of people with much of the same rhetoric that was aimed at then and which led them to claim 'Never Again' and yet here, they are the persecutors (not withstanding the attack from Hamas or rockets fired)
• There is no question but that the 2.5M people living in Gaza have been corralled and persecuted for a long time, a lot of the support for Palestine is coming from indigenous people worldwide who feel an affinity with them given their own colonial experience.

Me personally, I've been appalled at Israel officials attempts to manipulate the suffering of the Jewish people to permit their official bodies inflict death and suffering and expulsion on a community of people. Not just officials, but defenders of their actions including on here using claims of anti-Semitism, holocaust denial etc to casually dismiss any sort of criticism of their actions. The Israeli officials wearing the star of David in the UN while it did what it was doing in Gaza is one of the most cynical and darkest moments of a countries representatives I have seen and in my mind, is an insult to the memory of those who died while wearing that badge 80 years ago.

And again, for the record, for the Nth time, I do not support a single claim of Hamas in terms of wishing to erase Israel or any sort of justification for their attack on Oct 7th.

Going by the ridiculously unconvincing Israeli propaganda to date, it wouldn’t surprise me if they showed a sign saying Hamas HQ as proof.

Bring in supplies and medical staff to the hospital? To serve who? Most of the population of Northern Gaza has gone south as dictated by the IDF.

Well lets see hamas, ISIS, Taliban, RSF and Janjaweed.

Notice a trend here per chance.

A lot of the civilians killed in the October 7th attack were just like her doing their best to build bridges between the two communities. I remember reading about one guy who dedicated his life to a peace group. His brother was heckled while delivering a speech at his brother's Funeral because he mentioned his brother would not want vengeance in his name. Why did those people even bother going to the funeral if they couldn't have the manners not to heckle like that.

So hang on we have the dying, babies, women, children in the hospital one minute and now according to you we don't?

We have arguments one minute about allowing fuel and supplies to hospitals and now you are saying what's the point?

This is getting as bad as there are/there aren't tunnels.