Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

30 sheckles and 1 sheep

Of course he did.

Let the trashing of C&PS workers begin.

How is it that when I come on this thread I read that teachers (and other public servants) have never had it so good?

This guy can't even google "teacher shortages in Ireland"

There's always a "guy on Newstalk" . . . . Always!

Newstalk are ISME/IBEC/FG/DOB FM.

Teacher shortages are also happening in other areas. We're two hours from Dublin and my own school has been unable to hire an art teacher since last April and the other school in our town are looking for a home ec teacher since September. We have made questionable hiring decisions in recent years due to lack of competition for some teaching posts. My own maternity leave went uncovered for months and I have "common" subjects.

So teaching is so well paid that teachers cannot afford to live in Dublin?

"Would you also like Middle Eastern health and safety standards applied to Ireland as well? Religious freedom?"......WTF has that got to do with it?

"Those that leave, the vast majority return".......Ah the oul FF line of "Sure the Irish like to emigrate".

Your argument is pitiful and a complete joke.

Graduate teachers get 42,765, but that is if they get full hours

It is typical for a NQT to teach less than full hours.

I suspect that, yes, as you say, 43k is somewhat ahead of average graduate salaries.

And that is exactly how it should be.

We want to attract good quality candidates into teaching.

Also, bear in mind that the teachers scale is very long, so it takes them 20-25 years to reach the top. Whereas an accountant or engineer's salary will rise faster.

This research paper presents an econometric analysis of the public/private sector pay differential for the period 2015 to 2018 and has been prepared in response to user needs to inform discussions relating to the composition of earnings.

The methodology employed in this analysis is the same as that used by the Central Statistics Office to produce the analysis for years 2011-2014 (see References). A combination of available survey data and administrative data sources has been used. The sources used are the CSO’s Labour Force Survey (LFS) and the Earnings Analysis using Administrative Data Sources (EAADS). 

The methods used in these analyses are: Ordinary Least Squares Regression (OLS); and Quantile Regression. For each of these methods, results based on a range of specifications are presented.

Results from the OLS Regression model show a public/private sector pay differential ranging from 6.8% in 2015 to -0.3% in 2018, for the model which includes size of enterprise as a determining factor. Results for the OLS model which deducts the pension levy and excludes size shows a pay differential ranging from 1.4% to -3.4%. See Table 4.1. 

Summary results from the Quantile Regression model show a public/private sector pay differential in 2018 ranging from 12.7% at the 10th percentile to -17.3% at the 90th percentile for the model which deducts the pension levy and includes size of enterprise as a determining factor. See Figure 4.1 and Table 8.8. The corresponding model which makes no adjustment for the pension levy and excludes size shows a pay differential in 2018 ranging from 17.6% at the 10th percentile to -13.7% at the 90th percentile. See Table 8.4. 

Irish nurses pay is not too bad, but it is difficult to compare it internationally: