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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Administrators Posts: 55,176 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think you're just talking about what RTE calls "talent" there.

    There will be a lot of staff on 100k+ who are not "talent". People who work in roles that are not specific to broadcasting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Tomorrow is the big day folks RTÉ is going to announce

    Job cuts

    Closure of Digital Radio services

    Moves to Cork

    It is strategy 2024, but they have a trick up their sleave, they are going to get the Screen Producers of Ireland on board by offering 50% increase in indo productions (Going from 40 m to 60 m... just don't tell anyone one they cut it back by 50% from 80m in the late 2000s).

    It isn't strategy 2024 its .... NEW DIRECTION 2028


    Oh and you can say good bye to RTÉ ONE +1 !


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭pureza


    It would be cheaper for rte to close down all its transmitters ,sell the equipment and go fully online only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,411 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    400 staff to go, makes you wonder what they are doing in the organisation that it can continue without them as it's near 25% of staff. The cost of this scheme is estimated to be in the region of €40 million so a €100k a head pay off, nice if you can get it...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭bigroad


    They probably have 400 contractors to let go so there should no redundancy payouts.

    This will be the first 400 to go and next year another 400 ,just to stay afloat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭TheBlock


    That's the problem with averages, it won't be that for The Grunts effected, It'll be capped at max of two years salary if you've done 20 years service. So a PA BCO or Researcher may get a max of 70k before tax after 20 years service. Unless of course you make them mandatory and let people go with just stat redundancy. People who had no idea how the company was being run (Ruined) and were just doing their day jobs are the ones going to pay the prices. As for how the number will be reached it's explained by the fact that the majority of inhouse programmes will now be commissioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    At this point and they way things are going, while I disagree, I agree.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    400 over 5 years. Ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It is just Strategy 2024 rebranded, 5 months into the job and he's cogging of Dee Frobes.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Could you have any confidence that they will perform any of these?

    RTÉ plans to reduce staff numbers by up to 400 by 2028 through voluntary redundancy under a plan sent to the Government.


    The cost of this scheme is estimated to be in the region of €40 million.


    There is an aim to achieve 40 redundancies quickly and this will be funded by the proceeds of land already sold on the RTÉ campus.


    The strategic plan says RTÉ will continue to reduce the pay of its top presenters and will keep in place a 2023 pay cap.


    The plan is also seeking to further cut operating costs by around €10 million next year.


    Upgraded technology, live and online content will be prioritised, in this plan.


    Some services are set to be reduced and there will be more production in Cork and in other regions in the years ahead.


    There will be a direct and immediate impact on services the plan says and the RTÉ 1 +1 and the RTÉ 2 +1 TV channels would cease.


    More content will be produced by the independent sector and services such as RTÉ Radio 1 Extra, RTÉ Pulse and RTÉ 2XM could be scrapped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    It should 400 per year, over 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,217 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    With such a large work force how many would be leaving thru retirement to start with, seems a piss poor effort and we all know when it comes to RTE, promises and action are two very different things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    saw Tony o Donoghoe on the news there. Very noticeable shake in the hands. Hope he’s alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It's not a plan at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    This is just another attempt to look like something is being done and hoping that they'll get their bailout and the public will continue funding their gravy train


    I've said it before but O think Bakhurst is a bad choice. And fear of the union is going to make management do as little as possible to sort out the mess.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,176 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    These sort of posts are a great example of why this thread is now just a whinge-about-everything-to-do-with-RTE thread. All objectivity is gone. If RTE had announced 1000 job cuts to be made tomorrow some posters still wouldn't be happy.

    The reason the 400 jobs are spread over 5 years is so the organisational changes and cuts that need to happen to ensure RTE can function with 400 less staff can be made. They still have to provide a public service.

    RTE has about 1700 staff. You can do this calculation on this one.

    People leaving through retirement without being backfilled would be great. RTE getting 400 heads that way would be the absolute dream but it's not going to happen. That would be far better for RTE than having to pay redundancy, but we'll not let that get in the way of a good moan.

    RTE's natural attrition will pretty much drop to zero now. Anyone who was considering leaving will just wait it out unless they have an urgent need to leave, and hope they are one of the 400 instead.

    I think anyone willing to look at this with any sort of objectivity will recognise that a 20% reduction in staff levels is a very significant change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    RTE still have to provide a public service, but what is public service? Pop music? A soap that's as bloated as it's terrible?

    The reason I'm annoyed that the timeframe is over 4 years is that it requires significant follow through for a long time, something that RTE management has demonstrated that it is not capable of. The other reason is that other organisations can and have taken the scalpel to operations and have not collapsed so I see this lack of agility as a strategy to frustrate change - notably the State pays up first and the change comes later. Much later.

    Lastly, while RTE provides a public service, it is not an essential public service. If RTE doesn't operate properly in its transition, it doesn't really matter - it's not drinking water they are providing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The penny hasn't dropped that the station is broke and has been broke for years.

    If this was a private company it would be long gone.

    If it means it becomes a smaller organisation with the main focus on news and current affairs, then so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The lyrics from the old Late Late Show theme song, a clip from a Nat King Cole song, had the words "It started on the Late Late Show". Ironically, Tubridy has become the face of the payments scandal. The staff in RTE, those who survive the cull, may never want to work with Tubridy again. Things might also turn toxic for the current RTE "talent" as there will probably be a split developing between ordinary RTE staff and the "talent".

    The staff will end up taking the hit for the problems created by decades of RTE management facilitated by the licence fee and bailouts. Perhaps there is a growing realisation in the Sindo/Indo of the human cost of running that story. Trying to paint Tubridy as the victim failed. He wasn't. The narrative that Tubridy and his agent got greedy has now taken hold with the release of details about the payments and the letter of comfort from Forbes. The damaged inflicted on RTE is much greater than the over-payment of the "talent". One question that the PAC and the government may ask is this: in monetary terms, how much of the bailout will be spent on those who caused the problems?

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Administrators Posts: 55,176 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    But it’s not a private company. Trying to compare it to a private company is pointless rubbish. RTE is a public service broadcaster.

    If being run like a private company is your barometer then you’re going to be eternally disappointed. Though maybe that’s your desire here, set impossible standards so as to always have something to complain about.



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  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That last bit is not true, while I am a bit skeptical of the idea that fact-based evidence is a bulwark against nutty conspiracy theories or the lies of the far-right, public service broadcasting is important. I want factual evidence-based reporting.

    The reason I am skeptical is that for a not insignificant amount, what they feel about an issue trumpets any evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The narrative that current staff will suffer... lol ! That place has been a gravy train for decades and it still is... Its not human nature to see it as if they hit the lotto, but they did... time is simply up now for some of them, but they have had a feast, not a famine...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It's hundreds of millions in debt.

    For years and years. And yet it manages to pay over inflated salaries to average presenters. Do you not accept it has to balance the books?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭arctictree


    So 400 voluntary redundancies? In my experience of that, its the best talent who get the pay off and leave. The wasters stay on as they know they wont get a job anywhere else!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Rte is a government propaganda machine... how couldn't it be, very small country, lots of money, lots of connections...also who controls what funding rte receive? The Government, lol! Then again if you were the government, wouldn't you want to control the narrative?



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    you know for a fact that everyone in RTE is on a gravy train? https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0829/1319476-average-pay-at-rte-totalled-60-686-last-year/ don't conflate the high earners with everyone else.



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone with 20 years or more should grab the redundancy package and run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Not all of them are. But all of them have benefitted from overstaffing and many from overpayment and no doubt ridiculous pensions etc... if they are worth that in the real world, they won't have problems finding employment...



  • Administrators Posts: 55,176 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    RTE has to cut costs and bring them more in line.

    Balancing the books is not required, again, RTE is a public service broadcaster, it is not supposed to be a commercial entity. It does not have to earn back every euro it spends. It is absolutely fine for RTE to be spending more than it's earning, it's supposed to produce content even if it's not profitable. It's supposed to fill the gaps in the market that the commercial broadcasters cannot or will not.

    Of course, when a lot of the money is going on high salaries for what RTE call "talent" then there is legitimate issue there.

    There is no benefit to anyone to ripping RTE to shreds, while the public is looking for change I think the idea of RTE being gutted and ripped to shreds doesn't really exist outside a minority of cranks who have an odd dislike of RTE and always have and always will.

    RTE can refuse redundancy to anyone. If they don't get 400 people who they are willing to lose then they can just go to compulsory to get the remainder they need.

    I would imagine that tenure in RTE is quite high, so they'll have a lot of people looking for redundancy. I think RTE will likely be able to pick and choose who they want to let go, and will have little issue making up the 400.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    RTE is not a public service broadcaster in the traditional sense of the term. It uses a hybrid model which sees it active in the commercial sphere and competing with commerical Irish broadcasters for advertising revenue. For the first decade or so of the operation of RTE's TV service, it had almost no competition except from UK channels that could be received on the coast and the border. The advent of cable television in the 1970s changed that and it was facing more competition. The pirate radio stations of the late 1970s and 1980s created even more competition as did the satellite TV channels from the late 1980s onwards.

    RTE has also had to compete with streaming services with RTE Player. Because of the licence fee funding and bailouts, RTE has had the luxury of surviving when a commercial station facing the same competition would have failed long ago. Like a drip-fed junkie hooked on cash, RTE has the licence fee and bailouts feeding its habit. The rubbish about RTE having to pay its "talent" so well to prevent them begin poached by commercial broadcasters has been show to be just that. Tubridy has been gone from RTE for months and, to use Terry Prone's apt phrase, the offers haven't been coming over the phone for the Ryanstone cowboy.

    Despite RTE's aspirations to be BBC on the Dodder, it is not. Commerical stations can't afford to lose audiences and would be faster to get rid of "talent" that were losing numbers. RTE can because is is funded by the licence fee, bailouts and commercial advertising. RTE and its hybrid model has skewed the Irish media market because commercial Irish broadcasters can't compete with RTE's deep, taxpayer-funded, pockets. For RTE, like the end of the movie "Goodfellas", it's over. Tubridy will have to be content with egg noodles and ketchup on the Alan Partridge circuit.

    Regards...jmcc



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