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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Climate change will be the least of my worries if sf get in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Is there any party in Ireland that does not more or less fully support the Green agenda and the current immigration and diversity, pro EU (expansion)/NATO, WEF, UN, WHO policies?

    There seems to be little to chose from. Certainly not very diverse. PBP and SF seem to broadly support the same things. In opposition they make a lot of noise but will things radically change if they were in government? I doubt it. They seem to support the climate alarm narrative..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,946 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Did you manage to bring the WHO into your rant? 🤣 Thankfully all parties accept that climate change is a reality. You'd also struggle to find any politician that has no issue with Russia invading Ukraine, it's just human decency at play etc.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They support evidence based actions, it's only loony fringe groupings that oppose evidence based action.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Wrong. Politics is consensus. Look at the history of electrical energy as produced from nuclear rectors and it's usage in Ireland. Importing nuclear produced electricity by running extension leads to Britain and France (future 575 KM long extension lead Celtic inter-connector) is just fine, producing it on this sacred green island, this is banned.

    Setting up an LNG terminal in Ireland has been stymied by politicians, importing LNG gas into Ireland using the Moffat pipeline is just fine.

    Subsiding the build out of unreliable generation, while phasing out reliable generation and in parallel driving up consumption of electricity for transport and heating is just fine by today politicians.

    Irish governments energy policies are not driven by evidence, they are driven by a combination of ideology, political consensus and what market pricing will allow, evidence that contravenes the current consensus is ignored and put on the long finger to be used when political consensus changes.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reasons why nuclear has not arrived on the island of Ireland have been discussed to death and have little to do with politics.

    LNG was a backdoor to importing Fracked gas from America, a counter productive activity if the desire is to reduce carbon emissions.

    We will continue to expand the renewables contribution to the best of our ability since it meets the objectives of reducing carbon emissions.

    We will continue to decommission polluting generating infrastructure as the energy mix allows.

    If you proceed from the understanding that reducing emissions is the primary objective, in line with our international obligations then I think everything is proceeding as required by the evidence regarding climate change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    If reduction of co2 is the primary objective then dismissing nuclear power outright is akin to being an anti vaxxer during the pandemic arguing against vaccines because the “holistic” approach of smoking weed seemed to help you get better

    And that’s before we get to the point that for majority of the planet CO2 reduction is not even on the top 10 list of problems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack




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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The amount needing to be spent on nuclear would delay carbon reduction for at least 15 years and displace investment in incremental roll out of renewables. That is why it is not considered a viable strategy to carbon reduction, but as I said this has been discussed to death and the reality won't change no matter how much wishful thinking is applied. Nuclear is a dying industry - killed off by wind and solar and HVDC.

    I won't be engaging with any opinions which does not consider man made climate change one of the biggest strategic issues we face as a species.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Keep puffing that green stuff

    The anti science streak is strong with you



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually the reason why the latest SMR failed was it was going to be massively expensive and could not compete for customers with wind and solar. Those be the facts folks.

    Average cost overrun of conventional nuclear so far 120%. No one is buying when they know the initial price is just a bait and hook exercise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    I guess you missed the news about the offshore wind industry collapsing altogether



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It will recover.

    Nuclear will not since it faces even worse financial conditions for exactly the same reason offshore wind is struggling.

    To crow about the problems facing offshore wind is to miss the bigger picture. Most of the nuclear projects will follow the trajectory of their historic predecessors and get perminently shelved - but most will already have wasted billions getting there.

    When it comes to the inevitable reprioritizing nuclear will be the poor cousin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    offshore wind is having financing problems. But the Nuscale SMR failed altogether because the technology concept just doesn’t work at an economic price. It’s not surprising because SMR flies on the face of everything the world knows about nuclear economics. But it is disappointing.

    Hopefully someone will design and build a nuclear plant that is economic and suitable for the Irish grid. But it hasn’t happened yet.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What will likely happen at some point is the ECB will setup a renewables investment division to ease financing and bring stability to the market.

    This is a well tested strategic model used throughout Germany since the time of the war, it allows for expertise to winnow and select the best returning projects and set strategic objective in preference to short term financial goals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Yeh fact that the greens rather waste time arguing against clean green reliable solutions than embrace them tells anyone reading this thread all they need to know about how much of an emergency they really think climate change is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Wait for it, its an ill wind that blows no good. The onshore Markbygden turbines are in northern Sweden. The reason they are in financial trouble being the wind farm is obliged to pay the costs of its own intermittency, i.e. power purchase agreement (PPA) buying high and selling low.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Maybe this is a stupid question, overly naive or maybe is better suited to the energy infrastructure thread. But if small scale nuclear reactors can power submarines and aircraft carriers. Why can that small scale technology not be brought too work here in Ireland to power a small city or a percentage of the country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    It’s a great question and the question Nuscale and others are supposed to answer. The answer so far is that it can be done but the cost of production for small scale nuclear is just too high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Current gas storage inventories and change in the last few days (in trend column).

    Now can you spot what is wrong with that picture?

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because it's inefficient, generates far more nuclear waste, presents a security hazard and is the most expensive form of energy available. The projects are been shelved because no one will buy them at the projected cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,699 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It's amazing how costs and efficiency only seem to matter when you are talking about competing technologies to renewables?

    The main issue with nuclear powered submarines is the lack of space required for cooling (which wouldn't be a problem for grid connected reactors). They are highly reliable given they can stay at sea for significant periods, which is a lot more than can be said for intermittent technologies like wind and solar.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let me repeat this slooowwwwllllllly

    They were shelved because of cost and no one wants to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I don't know about anyone else but I find it weird that putting a small nuclear gizmo in a submarine to go around the oceans is deemed more cost effective than having one on land generating a bit of power for consumers to buy. There's a payback with that which isn't there with a submarine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    It is indeed a good example of a closed mind. But it is ironic that the same ideologues then reject people like Bjorn Lomborg who does take climate change seriously and Judith Curry who discuss the different ways one can assess uncertainties which is in fact quite a complicated issue.

    But no, the greener the more dogma, the more stupid simplistic statements as witnessed on this forum. It is an indication of the level of intelligence displayed. There is nothing more laughable than an idiot who thinks he's smart.

    And as far as 'evidence based science' is concerned it ALL has to do with the level of risk assessment and who is involved. For idiots playing this game this can be weaponized by others for them to use. They just need to follow the alarmist playbook.

    I have the evidence that the Sun goes round the Earth.1: everybody can clearly see this and 2: 97% agree with me. I will no longer engage with anyone that does not accept this premise and will call anyone doubting that a heretic.

    The Inquisition, 1663



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,699 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Repeat it any way you like. They only person appearing to have trouble understanding the debate appears to be yourself.

    They are just as likely to happen as a 100% renewables based grid. In fact, they may be an enabler yet. Know one knows what the technology mix in the future will be, not the industry itself, not the Dept, not Eirgrid - yet you (who doesn't appear to have a grasp of how we've arrived where we are given your complete misunderstanding of the offer process and auctions to date) can say with certainty that a particularly technology has been shelved everywhere, forever and no one is considering it anywhere?

    Why then, did this article publish last month suggesting the contrary and that nuclear may still have a role?


    Or to your insightful argument on cost and no one wants to pay? Why is that OK for renewables and their spiralling costs?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Anyone know what was wrong with our wind generation this morning? Seems strange that we were so far away from the expected generation when the wind was blowing quite strongly



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