General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

TheRona · 07-11-2023 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121338971#Comment_121338971

I don't think the last touch matters, only whether the Spurs player got their head to it. Whether it was touched by a Chelsea player would have been classed as not deliberate. This makes it a quick, easy check.

Mushy · 07-11-2023 10:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339323#Comment_121339323

Yeah but if Chelsea player was only one to touch it and mate crap of it, not a deflection. Although didn't look lke that scenario really but can be only explanation I'd give for it taking that long

Ottoman_1000 · 08-11-2023 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339323#Comment_121339323

But in this incident, the Chelsea player was actively going for the ball, so if he did get to it, his touch would have been deemed intentional. Hence why they checked all angles to see if that was the case.

IncognitoMan · 08-11-2023 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339323#Comment_121339323

A good example of where a clean up of the rules would benefit the game long term.

Instead of spending 3 minutes looking at did the Spurs player touch the ball the question should be did the Spurs player take part in that attack - yes or no.

If yes then offside.

A quick 5 second check. No drama. No trying to find if it flicked a hair on a players head etc..

Mitch Connor · 08-11-2023 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121340872#Comment_121340872

No, if he had just nodded it on in the ame way the spurs player did it would not have been deemed a controlled action. A deliberate action doesn't mean they intentionally went for it, its basically that the ball went where (reasonably) they were deliberately attempting for.

It is an INSANE rule, highly subjective and an absolute mess.

This phases of play stuff is a mess. A defender trying to clear a ball away from an offside player and that player then becoming onside as a result is just insanity.

TheRona · 08-11-2023 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121341069#Comment_121341069

My understanding is that it really has to be a chance to control the ball and gain possession, so anything in the air isn't going to be deemed deliberate. It would have to be some kind of ball along the ground that a player tries to intercept and has a decent chance of controlling.

With the current rules, I don't think there's any way a Chelsea player touching it would have changed the ruling. If a Spurs player headed it, then it was offside.

Fitz* · 08-11-2023 08:46PM

PL clubs have a vote upcoming again. Again, they'll need 14 clubs to agree to this, to pass the motion (> 66% of votes).

The potential Ruben Neves transfer was heavily rumoured at the time and now with Tonali's ban, it just might have been explored more.

Because Chelsea, Man City, Brighton and Newcastle all currently operate under the multi-club ownership model or have strong links to one, I would guess that these will all vote against this motion passing.

Edit: there is some potentially other clubs that may have links to other clubs through the same ownership such as Man Utd/Nice and Bournemouth/Lorient too. So that would be enough clubs to reject the motion and allow loans within multi-club ownership model. There would be more but I'm not aware of them.

https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1722311665637548373

doc_17 · 08-11-2023 09:44PM

Not PL related but VAR related. Utd get a penalty tonight for an handball and the exact same thing happened in a game at the weekend and no penalty. I don’t think either of them are penalties, but that’s the issue with VAR, the officials aren’t consistent.

Fitz* · 08-11-2023 10:05PM

After what happened last Sunday, a few Luton fans have started to donate to the Hillsborough Transformational Recovery Model. Fair play to them.

https://twitter.com/HillsboroughSu1/status/1722293704935743890?t=GN52dAADtnVLWRNy8tUAsg&s=19

Osmosis Jones · 09-11-2023 09:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121344068#Comment_121344068

That might be less about VAR and more on UEFA's interpretation of the hand ball rule, they seem to always give soft ones in Euro competition.

artanevilla · 09-11-2023 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121343612#Comment_121343612

The company that owns Aston Villa also owns a significant stake in Vitoria in Portugal so I can't see this resolution passing.

doc_17 · 09-11-2023 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121345259#Comment_121345259

Yeah. But that in itself is also a problem - different interpretations.

Anyway, saw the red as well last night and thought it was an extremely unlucky one to get.

09-11-2023 10:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121344068#Comment_121344068

They were hamstrung by the first one last night. You can't give one and say the other wasn't. In reality neither were handballs.

doc_17 · 10-11-2023 01:11PM

Looks like Maddison could be out until the New Year. That would be about 10 PL matches he’d miss if true.

eagle eye · 10-11-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121350872#Comment_121350872

It'll be interesting to see how they do without him. He's been excellent.

I'd love to see Brennan Johnson get a shot at his role. I think he'd be excellent, he's such a hard worker and has great vision and an eye for goal.

fergiesfolly · 10-11-2023 09:09PM

Not really about the Premier League, but there's an interesting piece on BBC website( sorry, can't link) about Girona being top of La Liga. Girona area tiny club with nearly no top flight experience. But are 2 points clear at the top of La Liga after 10 games. And it's not as if Barcelona or Real are having bad starts.

What's most interesting about Girona, is that their owned by Manchester City's parent company and are benefitting from loans and cheap deals as part of that group.

This is where the City ownership model will start to erode the normal hierarchy of football clubs.

No problem with smaller clubs building themselves to challenge for trophies, CL places etc ( ala Brentford, Brighton) but Citys paymasters are undermining the sport and will destroy it as a spectator sport.

POKERKING · 10-11-2023 09:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352956#Comment_121352956

You make it sound like they loaned them KdB and Haaland on the cheap. All players there arent good enough/near ready to be even squad players for City. Most are actually rejected players who city have ensured have a future in the game.

Its a great achievement by Girona to top the league on their budget and squad. They lost two of their best players(Romeo to barca and Taty to Lazio) and its a good few of the squad that were very fortunate to get promoted two seasons ago.

It wont last though so no need to get your nickers in a twist!

~Rebel~ · 10-11-2023 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353045#Comment_121353045

I think the thing people would be more concerned about is the bigger picture - that football could become like baseball in the US, where every small team in lower leagues is just a subsidiary of a Major League team... no small teams can exist as their own thing anymore. Would be a shame for the same thing to happen in football, for all these small teams to lose their autonomy and just become functions of larger teams parking players, getting players gametime, or casting off rejects. Definitely something that's becoming more and more prevalent, at an ever increasing rate.

fergiesfolly · 10-11-2023 10:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353045#Comment_121353045

But what if they loan them KDB when he gets down to his last few months of his contract. Or outbid a Premier League team for an up and coming talent and loan him to Girona for a year or two.

Is that fair?

Also, knickers. Not nickers.

It's a little thing. It'll go unnoticed by some.

But then, that's also what City are hoping for. Little things going unnoticed.

And as long as they've got fans as pliable as you, they'll get away with it.

theoneeyedman · 11-11-2023 10:17AM

Absolutely.

All about control. If the City group own the players, then they can control how and where they play. If a good player is owned by say Brentford, he can develop there and may give City a bloody nose in the EPL once or twice, but if he's in Girona then he won't - he'll be out of sight and they can control how and where he plays.

All about control.

pjohnson · 11-11-2023 10:34AM

Dunno how this is only being highlighted now. The Pozzo's have been doing it for years mainly between Udinese and Watford but sometimes Granada got tied into things.

Its not new to City at all.

POKERKING · 11-11-2023 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354406#Comment_121354406

Exactly.

Only being raised now because one of the groups teams is having a purple patch. No one gave a sh1t when they were in the second division or scraping relegation in La Liga. And also lots of clubs do it but its city….

POKERKING · 11-11-2023 11:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121353547#Comment_121353547

There might be some validity to what you are saying then if KDB goes there but thats not the case and we both know it.

Was it fair when United adopted a similar approach with Antwerp in the past? Where you vehemently against it then? They may not have owned them but had huge power and developed lots of players there. Was that fair on the Belgian league?

Knicker, nickers, pathetic.

Yep because of fans like me they are getting away with it, whatever “it” maybe.

Its funny the little things you notice about other clubs when your own club is an absolute shambles.

fergiesfolly · 11-11-2023 01:06PM

The (k)nickers was to illustrate a point. Sorry, if it's lost in you.

I'm well aware of the shamble United are in. Doesn't make the point I made untrue.

The United Antwerp link definitely benefited both clubs. They didn't have "huge power" there. If Antwerp weren't interested in a player, they didn't come and loans ended early if they decided so, not United. And dozens of clubs used a similar setup throughout Europe.

The difference in the systems, is that the City Group are buying up clubs around the world and using loan systems to move players from one to another. Girona can't afford a player. Fine. City buy him and "loan" him to Girona. Hardly a fair and level playing field.

There's a very good article written several months ago ( I'll post a link when I can find it) detailing how the City group use their links to buy up players and loan them around their network, or sell cheaply within their network. Some of these players were bought up just to stop a rival getting them and sent on loan. Hardly good for that players development.

It's bad for the sport, bad for the clubs and bad for the players.

Will you be happy to see 2 City Group clubs in a CL final, knowing that both are really part of the same entity. If City get their way, it will happen

I'd bet the Saudis will be after something similar over the next few years.

How fecked will football be then?

tinpib · 11-11-2023 01:49PM

Wolves creating tons of chances but their finishing/decision making near goal has been awful at times.

Arghus · 11-11-2023 02:05PM

Wolves are atrocious at taking their chances.

TitianGerm · 11-11-2023 02:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355126#Comment_121355126

2 goals in stoppage time.

machiavellianme · 11-11-2023 02:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355126#Comment_121355126

least they took the 2 that mattered.

eagle eye · 11-11-2023 02:34PM

That's bad for Spurs, they looked OKed like they were going to hang on for an ugly win, what you need to be able to do to contend. They could go into free fall after that.

happyoutscan · 11-11-2023 02:34PM

Ange ball...

What a joke.

General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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