General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

eagle eye

I just seen the goals.

The one where Chelsea took the lead, Jackson is ahead of Sterling and miles offside when Sterling gets the ball. He falls behind Sterling before Sterling sends him the ball.

Is that not offside? I thought he had to drop back behind a defender to become onside again?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335506#Comment_121335506

No, by the way the offside rule is interpreted now (different phases for pass to Sterling, then pass to Jackson), the goal is perfectly legitimate.

Which is complete and utter nonsense btw, and when you see the likes of Son goal tonight and hundreds of other goals over the past couple of seasons being ruled out for 1/2 cm offside calls it makes it all the more preposterous.

That Jackson goal should 100 percent be disallowed if football law makers had any idea what they were doing anymore. He is purposely stealing about 5 yards on the Spurs CB by being offside. That 5 yard gap to the defender is the only reason he then scores.

I saw Ronaldo score a goal for Madrid about 5/6 years ago where he was walking back out of the opposition penalty area. The ball was at the other end of the pitch. The opposition defence were on the half way line. Real played a clipped ball over the top to their winger, who ran on and squared it to Ronaldo who had a 40 yard offside head start on the opposition defenders. Ronaldo scores with opposition players unable to close that 40 yard offside gap in time. What a sport eh.

The football law makers have destroyed the offside rule, the handball rule and in general most of the game of football itself.

TheRona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335265#Comment_121335265

The reality is that the officials are useless. How long did it take to call Dier offside? It was obvious to the naked eye.

They should be called out for their incompetence. It's the only way improvements will come.

klose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335279#Comment_121335279

Easy to say that when he has nothing to complain about, if anything he should be thanking the refs for not sending off udogie and romero earlier on.

Every offside goal was also meticulously scrutinised also. VAR were obviously worried about stealing the headlights for offside goals last night.

doc_17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335597#Comment_121335597

The naked eye isn’t the standard. The cameras aren’t always completely in line. The lines on the pitch aren’t always straight.

noodler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335651#Comment_121335651

yeah, not being a prick but let's wait and see when he has a game changing error against him.

Hugely likeable guy tho and a breath of fresh air

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335517#Comment_121335517

But that interpretation has been around since the rule was introduced over a 100 years ago. It was not the law makers messing up the offside rule since VAR was introduced that brought up this problem, which is what I think your post is trying to suggest. There's strikers down through the years who have made a career out of goal poaching and waiting for the right time to get back in play. I've no issue with strikers scoring goals like that... they're making a meal of trying to officiate the offside rule as it is, the last thing we want to do is add another layer to that!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335674#Comment_121335674

The naked eye is the standard when it comes to the linesman - he doesn't have lines to guide him if/when he raises his flag. One of things that annoys me about VAR is the phrase "clear and obvious error" - if you need lines drawn on the pitch then it's gone beyond "clear and obvious".

That said, I think they got all the offside decisions correct lats night, so that's a stop forward. Now if we could just start identify the clear and obvious red cards that crop up every weekend, we'd be going in the right direction.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335688#Comment_121335688

Clear and obvious doesn't apply to the offside rule as far as I know.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335689#Comment_121335689

Exactly. Clear and obvious only relates to issues where the VAR team are interjecting to overrule the refs decisions - stuff like red cards or pen shouts. For offsides they always do a full check and give the theoretically objective outcome based on the lines, entirely irrespective of the call on the field.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335307#Comment_121335307

Not sure if he did, he got booked but that could have been for any of his coaching staff’s actions as that’s how the disciplinary procedure works now.

maybe it was for what ange did, I don’t know.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335265#Comment_121335265

Easy to say when Spurs actually got away with a load of decisions last night. Could have had 2 reds in the first half. Quite the performance from their manager though, some of the most ridiculous tactics I've ever seen. Chelsea were toothless, if Spurs sit back at 1-1 they probably get a draw.

TheRona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335674#Comment_121335674

Yeah, but my naked eye could easily tell last night, and my naked eye was correct.

My point is how long it takes to call an offside. In this day and age it should be fast and efficient like in other sports. We shouldn't be waiting for some guy to draw some lines (if he remembers that he is supposed to draw them, and where he is supposed to draw them).

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336095#Comment_121336095

It was surprisingly marginal - Dier was way offside when compared to the defenders close to him (which is where your naked eye will naturally be drawn to). However it was quite tight against a defender on the other side of the penalty box, really wasn't a naked eye thing imo. Clearly they are erring on the side of caution at the moment, and taking the time to get it correct. Doubtless they'll be put under pressure to quicken it up, and this will lead to another mistake, at which stage they'll go into slow-it-down mode again.

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336095#Comment_121336095

Why was the system used during the world cup not expanded further? That seemed to be fully automated, and no need for someone to spend their time trying to draw lines in fear they may have picked something up wrong. Holistically I actually don’t mind the offside rule with VAR, yes its annoying if someone is a cm offside, but in theory it should be the same for every single team, those fine margin calls will go against you one week and for you the next. My main problem with it currently, is the time it takes, and the focus the media/Sky/BT etc scrutinise the offside decisions and speak at length about each call. Just roll out the system used in the world cup, let the computer do its thing and everyone just move on after a call, none of this “oh buts its only a inch” or whatever from the commentary box and then the over analysis at half time or full time or what ever my be the call. 

pjohnson

gas

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336786#Comment_121336786

The (overall 20) PL clubs voted against it.

I'd take a guess that there was a split in the vote for/against it.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336867#Comment_121336867

And this point is barely being made? That it’s the clubs fault they haven’t got automated offside.

jacool

That was a very expensive night for Spurs

James Maddison – ankle knock (seriousness?)

Micky van de Ven – hamstring (out for a while)

Romero – 3 match ban

Udogie – 1 match ban

Points - certainly 2 dropped against a very, very average Chelsea. As everyone else said above, they just had to sit in and absorb it.

SlickRic

love Ange.

but it's clear he will have a ceiling if that's his attitude to those kinds of games. the players were far too over-hyped, and once it settled down and Chelsea got a foothold (even a minor one), they just lost it with some of their challenges. they were really wound up for some reason. they need to learn to control things, rather than go on pure emotion.

secondly, even Pep's teams sit in when they have to. you have to be sensible. if that is his attitude no matter what, then Spurs fans are going to adore him no doubt, and he may well get a trophy, and he may even get top 4 somehow. and that might be good enough. but the shine will ultimately wear off if he doesn't get cuter. his Celtic team was pilloried for similar tactics in Europe - that time will come for Spurs.

but he is a breath of fresh air, his team plays extremely entertaining football and Spurs fans should be delighted with the feeling around the place.

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336926#Comment_121336926

To be fair, it could be a certain section of clubs that voted against it and that is the reason why it's not in.

As far as I know, it's 14 clubs that have to agree to vote something in. so all it takes is 7 clubs to vote against it to stop it coming in.

Infoseeker1975

Spurs have had a great start, their new manager has them playing in a totally different way, a big part of that is their new CB looks like an Olympic sprinter, a hamstring injury is the worst one possible for someone whose greatest strength is speed. Will be interesting to see what Spurs fans are saying at the end of the season about Ange, for now he is seen as incredible, hope they remember that come May if things turn out a little differently. What do they see as success given they only have the league and FA Cup to play in.

Ottoman_1000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337110#Comment_121337110

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336926#Comment_121336926

I don't understand why any club would vote against it. Is there a gain to be made that I'm missing here??

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337163#Comment_121337163

It’s more expensive than the already paid for VAR checks. That could be the reason but I’m not sure. I’m think the athletic did an article on it but I didn’t read it at the time and their search function is garbage or I can’t use it properly.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337163#Comment_121337163

It's weak sauce really, but supposedly they are waiting for a better system which is apparently in development. So they didn't want to spend money on a system which could be soon obsolete and need replacing.

thebaz

I liked Merson the player, admired/ identified with his alcohol struggles - but he is a shocking pundit, seams to have been given a bigger mouthpiece now that the great Soccer Satuday team of Jeff Steling has broken up, its actually now become quite dreadful

Kiith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337121#Comment_121337121

Majority of Spurs fans just wanted to see a change in how we play. We've gone through some of the worst football you'll see, and there was a huge amount of negativity in all aspects of the club. Conte did so much damage to the club, and left us in an absolute state.

Its the reason why you see the celebrations you do at the end of random games. Players seem to actually be enjoying their jobs again, and the fans are loving it. Regardless of where we finish this year, i've enjoyed the last 11 games more than anything for the previous 5 seasons, so its already been a success imo.

Obviously we want to see progress as well as vibes, but this season was always about rebuilding.

Augme

I can see why Spurs fan love the style of play and at the moment they are on a completely freeroll given pre-season expectations so it must be great fun. It will be interesting to see if the team and fans still have the same principal towards the end of the season when the consequences of success, and more importantly, failure are much obvious.

Similar enough if over the next few games they play a highline and lose then the gloss will likely be taken off.

doc_17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336095#Comment_121336095

Once again, your naked eye isn’t the standard. Calling offside doesn’t really take that long. It’s usually a secondary issue that causes an extra delay.

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121338960#Comment_121338960

In this case it was checking who actually got the last touch