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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    They may of but the Ukrainians shouldn't of been gathered for a ceremony like that near the front lines. No Ukrainian should be killed but to have that amount killed the way it happened is to sell those Ukrainian lives very easily for the Russians. Reading a report earlier on skynews that Ukrainian soldiers have been fighting for about 600 days but only get 30 days off a year so seems to be in chunks of 10 days when they do. Tiredness seems to be the overall impression the report gve and a lot of Ukrainian soldiers marriages breaking down etc. which you can understand with time away from 1 another PTSD etc.

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    To be fair they probably are right they should be put on total war footing. Have all your industry focused on the war effort and have total mobilisation of your people to end Russia in your country once and for all. Ask the EU and America to provide them if they do that with anything they can't then do themselves as there gone full on war footing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Putin is just a tip of an iceberg of the whole Kremlin kleptocratic mafia apparatus, one of many. The system is the problem, not the man. It's a mafia state, there's many gangsters who can run the gang available.

    Remove Putin, another candidate will be put in place. There's a small chance that Kremlin factions would use the transition to purge some of the other factions and e.g. blame all military defeats on them. This could change the course of the war, but it's not guaranteed.

    Indeed thinking that the Russian regime is about Putin is incorrect. It's common in Western European circles in countries which didn't have any experience with Russian invasions and/or occupations.

    Some experts on Russia, including some dissident Russian emigrants, speak very depressive stuff about the posibility of any positive changes in Russia. Many of them say that successors of Putin could be much worse than him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    To be fair negative changes for Russia could be positive for Ukraine

    It took Putin 15 years to consolidate control and start on Crimea

    Whoever replaces him might be a tad bit too busy keep the whole ****show together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not so sure about that...I understand where you are coming from, but from day 1, once Yeltsin handed over the reins of power ( and consigned himself to the dustbin of history, even though his term still had some time to run.) Putin made it clear that the New Boss had arrived, and was in charge. The first thing he did to consolidate his power, was to take out the most powerful of the Oligarchs, Khodorkovsky. He had him arrested and after a very public trial, and locked him up for 10 years ( ?? ) This had the desired effect, and when he called a meeting of the Oligarchs and informed them that either things would change, or they would find themselves sharing a cell with Khodorkovsky, they voted unanimously for change. There after, I believe that he built an organization around him, but he was the undisputed and unassailable boss, a position that he holds to the present day. Otherwise, I think that he would have been deposed when the negative financial effects of the war began to be felt by the Oligarchs / Silovicki. But Putin has built many layers of protection around himself. He's still king rat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and neither will he have the same level of assets that Putin had prior to the invasion in Feb 2022. The economy is failing, and at this stage opposition to the war has top bubbling away beneath the surface, no matter what kind of rosy picture Putin's spin doctors try to put on it. Thats why he postponed a planned mobilization until after the presidential elections next year. The fact that he had to do that indicates that rigged election or not, he's worried.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    More than likely complacency more than anything gave away the medal ceremony, absolutely should not have happened where and when it did ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    If 50% of any population that had bank loans defaulted and refused to pay back it'd be very serious.

    A quiet opposition and two fingers to the regime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Perhaps they already were or left the country. 😄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    For sure, it's a mafia system, he's the gang leader, he played it well. The thing is that a Russian man will tolerate lot of hardship (and can't know the actual Russian losses in the war), so the economic aspect will unlikely topple Putin directly. It would need to be very strong and the only potential outcome of that is some sort of a coup by the Siloviki, not by oligarchs not by a popular revolt (sci-fi in Russia). And that's what the int'l sanctions are likely targeting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It was the Silovicki that Putin used to tame the Oligarchs. They are all old friends from his KGB days, and form his main support. Still, the Oligarchs' are pretty powerful too. Hard to know who or what will remove him, in the end, could be just something as simple and unavoidable as Father Time, the old guy with the scythe.😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    One thing regarding "democracy" in Russia etc.

    Democracy is completely foreign concept to Russian society, Russian society was and is feudal in essence - the ruling class and the peasants. The peasants just get on with their lives and don't interefere or care about the ruling class. The Russian psyche is that of resignation, passivity and fatalism. Russian society is collectivist, just like Asian societies, but with its own specifics. Simply put, Russian society and culture is not European or compatible with European liberal democracy. The West always thought of Russia as European country & society and that's the core issue - successive Russian tsars tried to appear European by using mimicry, but in essence they never were and are not even today. It's a different civilisation and failure to understand that is the root of the many of the mistakes made by the West, including trying to built relationship through trade hoping that Russia becomes a "normal country" (Merkel's/German plan really). And including not responding to the 2014 war and annexation of Crimea. All of that is stemming from this incorrect reading of what Russia actually is.

    Each iteration of the Russian tsars represents an evolution of the very same ideas upon which Imperial Russia was built centuries ago, the imperialist history of Russia which started 300+ years ago. Gorbachev & Yeltsin were a small aberation. But even Yeltsin waged imperialist and very brutal First Chechen War. Country spanning millions of sq km and 11 time zones comitting genocide over retaining a 15 thousand sq km country. So we're really down to Gorbachev as the only reasonable leader Russia has ever had in centuries, who I believe was a product of unique and very specific circumstances that are unlikely to repeat. That someone reasonable (not an imperialist and "European" thinking) will come after Putin is extremely unlikely, the history of Russia only goes one way, the trajectory is clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    The oligarchs are like local/regional gang leaders. Not enough power IMHO and they'll never be united. All the power lies in Kremlin with the KGB/Siloviki.

    Regardless, his days are numbered, whether he dies naturally or by drinking polonium tea or falling out of the window...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    At least Ukrainians can look towards a brighter future for their kids unlike the Russians who are currently content with serfdom and blood sacrifice of their young sons and husbands all to show the “west” how different Russians are,

    except we view them for what they are; colonisers stuck in a 19th century mindset at best, hordes of uncultured barbarians at worst



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Putin is an FSB puppet. If they decide he is no longer useful someone else will be installed. This idea that if only Putin leaves office a progressive will take over is woefully naive of how Russian is effectively a mafia state bigger than any one man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    True but if Putin goes the FSB may decide more war is not in their interest. They can then put the blame on Putin and pull out.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm still of the opinion that like all Mafia's, the Don is the supreme commander, and same thing goes with Putin and Russia. The FSB / KGB members are all there because Putin nominated them when he took power ( and Yeltsin thought he could control him) they are guys that he had worked with in East Germany, and he trusts them completely ( as much as he trusts anyone, that is considering trust is not a word he is too familiar with. ) No, he's the kingpin, and that's the way it will remain until he is dethroned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The lad who does Reporting From Ukraine is back on youtube after a 2 week break for illness

    Though there is another channel that I prefer, Military Lab




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭rogber


    Ukraine was also a mafia state for a long time but has been slowly moving in a better direction. Things can change, even Russia if the right person takes over. Hard to see it happening soon, but who knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Change in Russia is usually sudden amd unpredictable..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You maybe of that opinion but I don't share it . The siloviki are engaged in cathedral thinking, they are the Don in Russia in this scenario. Whatever fate has in store for Putin he will be replaced by someone who will keep the corrupt gravy train going for the elite. So anyone thinking a democratic and western leaning leader will take hold after he is gone is engaged in wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    The Republicans have signed off on transfer of seized Russian assets to Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Russia struck a Liberian ship carrying iron ore to China




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    From the little Russian book of how to win friends and influence people..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,984 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Where did I suggest that a democratic replacement to Putin will happen? What will happen is that there will be war between the different factions until the strongest one emerges. And that's how Russia has been since Stalin's time. And it will continue like this, unless a miracle happens, genuine democratic elections are held, and Russia gets a somewhat legitimate government. But I would not hold my breath waiting for this to happen. I've lived and worked in Russia for several years, and believe me, I do not have any wishful illusions about the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Do not do this Kazakhstan. You'll be lining up Putin's successor to invade to "protect" the Russian speakers and continue the expansion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,321 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Even American commentators get it wrong sometimes.

    Referring to Kazakhstan as not it's own country in it's own right. But instead as Putin's back yard.

    It's difficult for the neighbouring countries to stand out in their individuality but to be lumbered back continually to Russia and Putin.

    Doesn't help the mafia master himself has plans on Russification mark II.



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