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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Unfortunately if the quotes are to believed they received 1 million rounds over a few weeks from Nk and in 7 months the west only managed 300,000 rounds,it might be considered bad for Russia but they acquired more artillery in a few weeks than the west provided in 7 months to Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    EU ≠ The west.

    The 300k was a specific EU arrangement. It does not include non EU countries, the the US.

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    To me with a rough calculation puts the number of artillery fired by Ukraine in the past 9 months at 1.7mil (low end) or 1.9mil (high end). I know Ukraine upped their artillery production, doubt it's over 2 mil though. Ukraine fired over 1.7mil shells but the west have only given Ukraine 300k. Doesn't make sense does it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Makes perfect sense promised 1 million rounds they only delivered 300,000 in 7 months,are they going to produce 600,000 in the next few months no



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    He keeps doing that, equating EU which is being held back by Russian puppet in Hungary with “The West”

    We’ve gone from “Russia has millions of shells which can last for decades” in 2022 to

    ”Russia begs Best Korea for help” in 2023

    I am looking forward to 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    At the risk of sounding 'uncivil' (god forbid!), if you're that sensitive to negative opinions on how the war is going for Ukraine, just put those posters on 'ignore' and save the rest of us having to wade through another couple of pages of back and forth childish nonsense about putin bots and the like. Works just fine for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but does anyone have the figures for what Ukraine itself is producing? Or what's being "donated" by Poland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    And yet Ukraine has fired 6x the amount of artillery that has been delivered by the west?

    1.4mil extra artillery fired than has been delivered by the west. Makes absolutely zero sense to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't think so , guess work at best and even at that no reliable figures at all ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Fairly sure its bottom of the barrel NK junk they received, although still can cause damage if there's enough of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The Russians always have two plans in warfare. Plan A is to overwhelm the enemy with meat assaults. Plan B is to overwhelm the enemy with meat assaults. There is no plan c. Either they succeed in the first two plans in the short or long term. Ultimately they hope to exhaust the enemys ammunition before they exhaust their own manpower, and that might ultimately happen. But if it means using up 10,000 men to gain a few metres or a propaganda victory, Putin and the Russians will do it. Human life means nothing to them.

    I can see Putin massively ramping up conscription after the March 24 presidential election. We could be talking conscription of a 1 million man army, just to try secure victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    And they'll have some lovely parades after to remember the glorious dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    1 million Russian army in Ukraine is unlikely. I think that Putin no longer needs a victory in Ukraine, a stalemate is fine, maybe even preferable. Right now, the Russian society is kept in a hysteria, where they are constantly pumped up by the hate-filled propaganda. They must ignore the worsening economic situation and all the dead soldiers, and feel the hate for Ukrainians, Jews, migrants or anyone, just not Putin.

    When the was ends, regardless of the outcome, Russians may wake up and ask if it was worth it. Logically, the war is a huge mistake, and the mistake made by Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    I do not view Russia or Russians as normal they are hated wherever they go.

    I live in an area where they holiday there presence is widely disliked but for economics are accepted.

    Saving Russia during ww2 was a big mistake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    At that time the alternative to saving Russia was a lot worse.

    The alternative was a very efficient, much less corrupt, outright murderous and far more technically advanced killing machine that was very close to getting the Bomb.

    The allies should have ploughed on to Moscow in 1945 but the appetite and political will was completely spent at that stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,919 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They obviously have more approaches than that because the response to the insurgency in Afghanistan was not to flood the valleys with countless grunts. The response in WW2 was much more about overwhelming numbers, but this was an existential conflict for Russia where it was a case of by any means necessary.

    The Ukraine war is perhaps existential for Putin, as a failure there carries a huge risk of the end of his political career or worse, but for his people? I don't think so.



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Their quality of life would improve very soon if the war stopped. But they have been whipped into a frenzy by fake news about the west threatening their right to exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Russia can get all the shells in the world but nobody can give them enough barrels which is what they desperately need. Their arty is outdated and inaccurate compared to Ukraines now also, russian arty needs to be in very large batteries all firing in a tight square to be effective as they are so inaccurate. Unless they use this doctrine which they can't anyone more, their arty is basically only scaring crows. I posted a very good hour long video by Perun a few weeks ago about russia losing arty supremacy I'll try find it again. On top of all this the Ukrainians have become masters at counter battery.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    While the Soviet war effort(not just Russia, nearly half of the Red Army weren't Russian) and truly horrific sacrifice was without doubt a major contribution in bringing an end to Nazi Germany's end and one that should be 100% acknowledged and celebrated, it's highly unlikely we'd be "speaking German now buddy" if they stayed out of it, or indeed joined Nazi Germany as quasi allies. After all, they were at the start, agreeing to carve up Eastern Europe between them, while German tanks needed Soviet oil and steel to blitzkreig their way across Western Europe. When does WW2 start in Europe, when does Russia commemorate the start? That near two year gap has been memory holed for a reason...

    Nazi Germany's economy was unsustainable in the long term(and not too sweet in the short or medium), while the Soviet military machine was outdated, relying on sheer numbers and their economy was grown on the back of imports of Western tech. That western tech and millions of tonnes of weapons, transport, food, etc that they got through Lend Lease wouldn't have happened if they'd stayed out of it or gone rogue. The Brits alone sent them two million pairs of army boots but one example of that, and that was a tiny percentage of the stuff. The US sent 14000 aircraft, 13000 tanks and a host of other kit, including over a third of all explosives used by the Soviet Union, 80% of their copper and fifteen million boots on top of the Brit's two, amounting to over five hundred billion dollars in today's terms.

    America kicked off the Manhattan Project in late 41. Germany was years away from an atom bomb and going down the wrong path and the Soviet Union only got theirs after post war espionage helped them. So an Allied attack(without the Soviets) on Germany would almost certainly have a city like Hamburg or Berlin herself reduced to radioactive dust. Game. Over. And Moscow would have been next if they got too twitchy.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,039 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian 1: Wanna hear a joke about how yesterday we bombed our own units?

    Russian 2 : Lucky we missed them all. And I don't smoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Just Putin-bot nonsense from that one I’m afraid Wibbs. I had suspected he was doing the more advanced «slow-burn» trick of coming on here to «just ask questions» for a bit before getting into the meat of his Russian disinformation later on once «established»

    He was notibly the only user I noticed cropping up liking the posts of our current resident Russia fan.

    Based on the pattern I expect a «we need a ceasefire and peace now!» post from him or something similar in the near future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Ukraine is not winning I think time is on the side with more resources is that double Dutch to you?

    I am up 4 Ukraine but they needed a similar result to last year especially with better weapons and training so get real, the 47th has been pulled from zapairiska or whatever to avidakia not a good look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,906 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    No need to get angry with other posters for calling out your gobbledygook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Has Putin promoted the commander in charge yet?

    Given how he loves a good meat grinder, expect thousands more to be sent there.

    The greatest asset Ukraine and NATO have in this war is Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Lets review shall we.

    WW1 - mass slaughter on front line which was in turn the primary cause of the Russian revolution. No effort to save Russian lives.

    Winter war with Finland - mass slaughter of Russian army by much smaller force. Sole strategy was to overwhelm Finland with numbers which they eventually did at a horendous cost to themselves.

    WW2 - overwhelmed the Nazis with numbers. Germans could simply not supply themselves with enough ammo to kill Russians. Russian training was minimal, life expectancty short. Why spend time training someone thats going to be dead in a week or two?

    Afghan War - took a beating, did indeed flood the valleys with conscripts who were easy targets.

    Chrchen Wars - same story, poorly trained conscripts killed by the thousands. Plan C was to flatten the place.

    Ukraine war - no huge improvement, pooly trained conscripts sent in to overwhelm the Ukrainians. As with previous wars human wave attacks in broad daylight a feature, with todays human wave climbing over the bodies of yesterdays wave. This is how the Russians do war and no-one is expecting it to change anytime soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    They already have 400,000 in Ukraine. Once the election is over, don't be surprised to see a massive conscription drive to match the massive blood lust of the Russian leadership. They are hell bent on destroying Russia in the medium and long term and are determined to bring as many Russians into the grave with them as possible.



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