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Are terrible driving habits on the rise?

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ah ok, so people would continue driving through those reds if a garda was standing at the junction handing out fines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    With regard to the OP, I've been driving 40 years and no terrible driving habits are not on the rise. They were just the same and worse when I started out. Read the newspapers of the 1950s/60s - full of stories of horror car crashes.

    The main difference now is the amount of regulation surrounding driving. Maybe this just makes it seem worse as there's lots more rules and limits to break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭creedp


    So are you excusing the ridiculous response of the 'wronged driver' here? If the story is accurate then that guy is a thug and Id hate to see what he'd do if the op did something that really annoyed him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭creedp


    Whats your story? You need to let it go for the sale of your own quality of life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The poster was objectively wrong on multiple counts, in both their driving and their knowledge of the rules of the road and continued to double down on their ignorance trying to argue the other driver didn't have right of way over a car pulling out of a parking spot! Anyone driving like that in a driving test would certainly fail.

    It's not clear how far, if at all, the other driver went out of their way before the verbal exchange through open car windows took place. Anyone who would consider it uncontrolled aggression or thuggery, has led a very sheltered life.

    I'd have a few choice words for a driver who pulls out in front of traffic, has the entitled expectation that other drivers should accommodate their poor driving, then effectively brake checks the driver they pulled out in front of and appears to think the rules of the road don't apply and the car they pulled out in front of didn't have right of way.

    The poster's lack of ability and their attitude and lack of self awareness is alarming but I suppose half of drivers are of less than average ability and we should all drive with that in mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭creedp


    As I said I dont know how accurate the story is but seriously what's the point in engaging with someone in that manner? Life would be exhausting if you felt you had to react in that manner to every little indiscretion on the road. Flash your lights ot give a blast of the horn if it makes you feel better and move on



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I dont see mention of speeding on this thread. Two of the 60km limit roads near me have the vast majority of people doing 90+. One of these passes a primary school. Zero Garda presence. Pedestrian crossings that many drivers just barrel through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,118 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That's a very simplistic way of thinking about traffic management (and more broadly indeed human behaviour). People break red lights knowing that they will get away with it, but that's true of everyone - so actions and consequences are often a major factor, but not always. It is easy too, to blame the misbehaving driver but that doesn't solve the problem as it doesn't address the root cause, and that is frustration.

    The frustration in Dublin at least has been caused by a relentless squeeze on the motorist by reducing their space and priority while at the same time maintaining or increasing the need to drive into the city. Cack handed approaches to traffic management (like the north quays bus crossover) in Dublin that are entirely ideology driven rather than being practical have gotten us in a situation where making steady progress through the city at almost any reasonable hour is impossible.

    So like the pandemic, you could look and blame individual rule breakers but when a system requires broad compliance over an area that relies on cooperation rather than enforcement you really have to look at the system and environment that it is in. It needs to encourage compliance as a fundamental goal that ultimately also benefits you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    and it will be so much safer when the limit is reduced to 50kmh and the same drivers still barrell through at 90kmh+ By and large we don't need new, more restrictive speed limits, we need proper enforcement of the current limits but ink is far cheaper than manpower and our politicians must be seen to do something, no matter how ineffective and idiotic that something is. A fixed camera or average speed camera covering that stretch of road would soon solve the speeding problem there, far better than an unenforced lower speed limit.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why don't we have cameras on traffic lights to stop people driving through red lights? Surely a money spinner for the government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    No. I would expect the garda to overrule the irrational light sequences and manage the traffic so that it flows and no one has to break a red in frustration at the idiocy of many light sequences in Dublin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    I was just in Airside retail park and I had 2 incidents of cars pulling out in front of me, it happens and should be expected in a busy car park. No harm done and the loon who followed someone home for such a minor indiscretion is obviously a lunatic who can't control his rage. I would regard someone following me home as a serious threat to my safety and I would react appropriately to the situation and I can guarantee the perpetrator would severely regret his actions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    Cheers.

    I was nowhere near him. Absolutely acres of space. I'm not an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    I pulled out, with ample space as the car park allows. In this particular car park, there is a certain amount of giving way to those who are already on the turn out of their car parking spaces, as based on the design of the car park, you will 100% be in one of the lanes lines of sight as you are pulling out. As I pointed out, there was lots of space for me to do safely.

    Yeah, when someone is leaning on the horn and I have done, absolutely nothing wrong, I am within my right to ask what the issue is. There was no need for the drivers aggression, or yours imo.

    Kudos to you though. Absolutely taking the post out of context and having a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Except it wasn't just a minor indiscretion, it was followed by a deliberate, aggressive and potentially dangerous action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    By me? We were slowing anyway, to come to a junction, to join the actual road. Your absolute insistence that I was in the wrong is mind blowing.

    Maybe I was piss poor in describing it but it was the first of its kind I have ever encountered and I and other road users, use this shopping centre and my driving norm in there is the same as everyone else. And by the way, he followed me for two miles. That justified enough for you??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    The way I read it is that the other driver deliberately went out of his way to be offended by a minor indiscretion in a busy carpark. We all know the type, probably anticipated what was going to happen and sped up so as to have to jam on the brakes and display his indignation ... a bit like a Boards poster who can't leave a debate without getting the last word in, coz, he's right and the other guy is wrong and that's all the sad loser has in his life.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,931 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    No. The principal factors that have changed in recent years that has led to an increase in red light jumping is an increase in cars being driven and at the same time a decrease in the enforcement of the road traffic laws.

    Make up whatever excuse you like but you know that people will only break a red light because the reckon they'll get away with it. Same reason drivers speed etc.

    So you actually believe that people only drive past red traffic lights at junctions where the timings are off? You really need to walk around the likes of Dublin to inform yourself on reality!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    I like to think im quite attuned to reality thanks. I walk in Dublin City centre regularly and compliance with traffic signals is extremely high - of course it has to be or there would be gridlock on the streets but don't let that inconvenient truth get in the way of your narrative



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The explanations only reinforce my original view. There was a clear line of sight, yet you pulled out of the parking spot in front of oncoming traffic impeding the progress of the other driver who had right of way. You claim you were nowhere near him, yet you deliberately slowed down in front of him. It doesn't add up.

    The most reasonable explanation is that you either misjudged the distance / speed of the oncoming traffic or assumed you could edge out of the parking spot and cause oncoming traffic to have to give way to you, even though they have right of way. In either instance you would be in the wrong. You should wait until you can exit the parking spot without impeding the flow of other traffic.

    When the other driver leant on the horn you aggravated the situation by deliberately slowing down in front of him. This was a totally unnecessary, aggressive and potentially dangerous move.

    This is not having "done, absolutely nothing wrong"

    Maybe acknowledging your original mistake would have been an appropriate response. If I pulled out in front of someone I'd consider a few seconds blast of their horn a wake up call to be a bit more observant and careful in future.

    I think I have tried to look at it in a factual and logical way. If you view it as being aggressive, it does colour how I interpret your depiction of the other driver as being aggressive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    Maybe an easier, and less long winded way of dealing with this is for you to answer the following question:

    Your driving through a busy Lidl carpark. A car pulls out of a parking spot ahead of you, do you:

    A) speed up, jam on the brakes, flip the bird and, when the other driver proceeds slowly away from the spot you decide to follow him to his home to remonstrate with him

    or

    B) gently tap on your brakes while the other car exits its parking spot and you and the other driver get on with your day

    Because if its B you have nothing to fear from the poster but if it's A then you're the problem. Simples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    B. But neither is what happened in this instance.

    Depending on how close someone pulled out in front of me / how near it was to causing a collision I might beep the horn to alert them to the issue. If they brake checked me as a result I'd do my best to have them prosecuted for dangerous driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    And you were there..so you would know.

    He obviously sped up you numpty. I had so much room when I was pulling out. At least 70-80m. I've stated that, repeatedly. There was ample space for me to drive out, safely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    It's clear that you are also unaware of the regulations, requiring the usage of the horn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,834 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The main difference with now over 20 years ago is smartphones. Walk along any line of cars stopped in traffic, and you'll see the majority of drivers with their phones illegally on their lap, where they are position for maximum distraction impact, if not actually in the hand. It's at epidemic levels, young drivers, old drivers, grannies, school run parents, tradesmen and truckers, all driving in a way that guarantees they are not giving full attention to the traffic conditions around them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    Anyway McBain. I've engaged with you for too long 😂

    Have a lovely bank holiday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I'm well aware of when to use the horn. "The Regulations also provide that a driver may use a horn only to warn other road users of oncoming danger, or to make them aware of the driver’s presence for safety reasons when reasonably necessary. " which is why I predicated it on how close it was to causing a collision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    Ah. The person used a horn, therefore they must be in the right. Got ya Sheldon. Totally get where you are coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,863 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I'm going on your description of the event and this is the first time you have mentioned the other driver speeding up or the distance being at least 80m when you started to pull out.

    There's a lack of consistency with the incident as you describe it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭carfinder


    No inconsistency. It was obvious from the start that the other driver sped up. Lets remember he followed the OP to his home. So we know the kind of lunatic we're dealing with ... the one that goes more than half way to meet trouble and therefore meets it often



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