General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

No doubt Neville and United fans will blame the Glazers as usual but that was awful from Ten Hag.

Makes a poor substitution at half time to make United worse. Waits until 75min to make another sub and then brings on two forwards for a few minutes at 3 down.

Making Fernandez captain was criminal aswell. He spends more time moaning or try to kick people than playing football.

United really are a shambles, could do with tearing it all up and starting again. They're stuck in a bit of a vicious cycle, not as big an attraction for players to move there, stuck to paying over the odds and offering massive wages to entice players who aren't really arsed to be there. Fernandes must be the most uninspiring captain I've seen.

He is a male Vera Pauw, arrogant Dutch who lives by the 'my way or no way' mantra

Poch has signed 12 players so far. Palmer IMO is the only who looks very good so far, but it's very early. If you can't blame Poch, who are you blaming for Chelsea not being title contenders this year having spent £1 billion in the past 18 months.

They're currently 11th and finished 12th last season.

How can a team who won the Champions League 2 years ago be such a mess now, your words?

But that doesn't answer my question re Chelsea. Why in your opinion are Chelsea such a shambles?

Obviously at the moment it's because of the owners but Poch is only there since the 1st of July so let's see where they are this time next season and if he has improved them

Just saw Palhinas elbow on Gross...another clanger for PGMOL to apologise for

Ten Hag asked is this one of his most disappointing days. 

"No... the execution of the gameplan was very good."

"Of course it's disappointing to lose the derby."

If the gameplay was to let City have all the ball and let them feed off scraps, then the first part worked perfectly.

But that penalty decision, Oliver again? He has to be taken off City games.

I don't disagree although it's a massive risk what they're doing. To my knowledge, I've never seen a club do what they're doing at that scale. If he sinks the club having spent that money or continue to not challenge in any competition, the fans will obviously take their displeasure out on Todd Boehly. The buck stops with him and his team ultimately.

My point was earlier in the thread, posters were saying United fans will be along to give out about the Glazers and they're not to blame for how the club performs on the field or can't be blamed for 'not backing the manager., etc. In reality, they oversee the manager, the signings, the culture, the facilities, etc. ETH is very much to blame how the team is performing right now but if his team is performing exactly like his predecessors, then maybe there is a problem above the manager and the club as a whole.

United have spent tonnes of money but would rival fans honestly want those players at their clubs at the transfer fees? I am guessing no but usually we're told to stop 'whinging' about the owners. As you said, it's scatter gun madness and I fully agree. As Neville rightly pointed out, United don't even have a sporting director. No other serious big club doesn't, that's not on ETH obviously so he's left to his own devices which IMO is dangerous. Plenty other instances like that all lead to massive failure to on field performances yet we're told it's all down to the manager. It's not as black and white as that obviously.

Why does ETH not take them off? He starts them every single week no matter how poorly they play. That must be head wrecking for other players trying to break into the team.

At least Onana looks like he is getting it together. When Casemiro, Varane, Shaw and, to a lesser extent, Martinez are back, Utd will be stronger. But nowhere near City. Or Liverpool. They still rely on counter attacking football. That’s not what the best teams in the league do. Ten Haag had a very good first season but he’s had a bad window.