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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    ”””

    BRUSSELS — EU leaders endorsed unprecedented plans to use profits generated by frozen Russian state assets for Ukraine reconstruction, and called on the European Commission to make legal proposals to that effect, according to European Council summit conclusions.

    "Decisive progress is needed, in coordination with partners, on how any extraordinary revenues held by private entities stemming directly from Russia’s immobilized assets could be directed to support Ukraine and its recovery and reconstruction, consistent with applicable contractual obligations, and in accordance with EU and international law. The European Council calls on the High Representative and the Commission to accelerate work with a view to submitting proposals," they wrote.

    Of around $300 billion of Russian foreign reserves frozen by countries participating in sanctions at the onset of Moscow's war on Ukraine, the majority — more than €200 billion — sit in the EU. 

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    So go ahead given to tap into the 200 billion euro stash and also make use of the 3 billion a year in interest this is earning

    Oh to be a microwave on a wall in Kremlin about now to see Putin’s reaction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Soon 12th sanctions package

    Also Us sends more military aid

    And Russian interest rate up to15% while rouble continues to slide

    The above one is interesting as imports are getting ever more expensive for Russia, be it tooling, medicine or even drones and shells from their allies who sure as hell don’t want roubles

    The high inflation and ever devaluing rouble also makes a mockery of the Russians who joined the war for money, they are literally losing their lives for ever worthless pieces of paper that is rapidly inflating away and can’t be converted to stable currencies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's called rotation, you move troops from the front and give them a break and let them return home to their families and replace them with fresh troops,and months later they get rotated out themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's likely what Russia hopes for - to destabilise the EU. And it may come to pass when the current crisis passes. In time of war & difficulty you find out who your friends are and when matters have settled move to distance yourself from others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,495 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You can't be ejected from the EU.

    The mood music will change once the EU grants are being doled out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,008 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,043 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Support from countries will hold up so long as there is a strategic interest and the economic resources to do so.

    Watching Obama talk about bringing troops home in 2008, and ending the military missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite those not ending for another decade+, tells us that what politicians are promising the public does not necessarily translate to hard policy. This is the history of politics in a nutshell, you could say.

    Again, people going, "Ohhhh, how can the US support Ukraine with this Israel thing kicking off?" are forgetting that the US was able to support the above (rather expensive) military situations without collapsing as a country.

    And that's a country that is nowhere near Russia with a potential interest in knocking them out as a competitor for world resources. Flip over to somewhere like Poland that would be ('would be'? or 'is'?) right on the front line of a newly aggressive Russia, and ask what their interest is.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Watching Obama talk about bringing troops home in 2008, and ending the military missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite those not ending for another decade+, tells us that what politicians are promising the public does not necessarily translate to hard policy. This is the history of politics in a nutshell, you could say.

    That wouldn't have been the same troops out in Iraq and Afghanistan for the duration and the US had more than enough people to rotate them round. When it comes to defending your actual country from invasion though it's more a case of getting everyone you can who is able into action, but that doesn't leave you with many people left to rotate with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We know from previous statements the Ukrainians had close to 1 million strong army and reserves, the idea of not having troops to rotate after 18 months on the front lines doesn't bode well ,if they can't rotate those forces can they replace large losses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,440 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    That's what I don't get. Seems to be an issue there if this is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,616 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Obviously that's a sign of desperation if they are having to dig that deeply into their stocks - but at the same time, that is some achievement by whoever built and maintained WWII era equipment that still works.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Firing weapons their great-grandfathers might've used. This one looks like a resurrected museum piece. Perhaps from the DPRK?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    What doesn’t make sense?

    That Ukraine are not using same meatwall wave attacks and seem to value their soldiers lives and are content in turning a thousand Russians a day into paste



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Define 'making ground', including timelines, and why you think they're not making ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27



    There has definitely been progress but not the kind you might see in a three minute news piece on the 9pm news.

    It's hard to ever know what Russian strategy is currently, but drawing more US money in, as US continues to be drawn into Mid East, and just keep going until Trump gets back in, seems like a reasonable bet for what's currently happening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The simplistic answer is the Russians are bigger have more resources. They had time to prepare vast defences and mostly control the air. Even with that they are having to pour vast resources to hold their positions and are losing ground slightly.

    That their invasion with vastly superior forces was stopped and pushed back to where it is now is amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,661 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Define 'so little' then. Because Ukraine has gained back enormous amounts and is making slow but steady progress. Driving the Russian navy out of Sevastopol with no navy of their own is one of the most notable naval victories in history.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Russia use a mix of brand new, older and very old equipment. As do Ukraine, although Ukraine do not have the stockpiles of WW2 and cold war era equipment that Russia have and are using. The backing of the West is not unlimited, so Ukraine doesnt have nearly as much modern weapons as they need. Older weapons can be just as deadly, in certain circumstances as more modern ones. Ukraine is gaining territory over Russia, at a slow pace.

    Why is Ukraine not routing Russia? A combination of all of the above. Wars are challenging and they have inadequate supplies. Russia have utterly failed to be the modern military they claimed to be pre 2022 and its kinda amazing seeing them use 60+ year old equipment, but the vastness of their stockpiles and the large amounts of solidiers they have to throw into the war have led to them engaging in a war of attrition, which we are currently seeing.

    I hope this clarifies all your questions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    very informative but genuinely wondering where 'Ukraine is gaining territory over Russia'. Any online map, originated from both sides, I look at recently doesn't reflect that. Maybe, I am looking at the wrong maps!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I’d imagine the bullets from a world war 2 era rifle would do as much damage as a modern rifle. My cousins still use the shotguns that my grandfather used 60/70 years to shoot pheasants. The design has not changed that much. The cartridges are pretty much the same. A lot of weapons and ammunition were dumped after world war 2 by the allies. The Soviets obviously didn’t dump theirs. I know the Soviets kept a large standing army at all times so they could maintain these weapons where as the allies demobilised but it does seem baffling and wasteful that so much was dumped. I understand the mood was very much anti war and never again but to just dump all that stuff in the sea is insane.

    Maybe there was an economic logic to it to keep the arms industry in business post war???



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The issue is really how well they are stored and the cost of same. Yes it is wasteful, but sure everything about war is wasteful on a philosophical level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I love how you leap to conspiracy and profiteering...

    A piece of metal hitting you at decent velocity is always effective. But...

    Old Russian Ammunition is corrosive. War time weapons are not built to high standards. So while they will not be reliable, occasionally dangerous, and likely not very accurate or consistent. If you have nothing else, you've no choice but firing old guns with old ammo is going to hard to hit anything, occasionally main or kill the shooter. Collectors of old weapons will cherry pick the best condition rifles and ammo. Even then the guns misfire and jam a lot.

    A lot of weapons were not dumped after the war. They were stockpiled and reused if not by the host nation but by selling them to other nations. Ireland had Lee Enfield Rifles and Bren guns still on inventory until the 1980s. There were German WW2 guns used in the Vietnam War.

    Lot of countries converted old Rifles into sporting or sniper rifles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    funnily enough, the Isaeli army got to defeat German made tanks of the Syrian army, Panzer IV and Stug111. They must have got a chuckle out of that

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