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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    It's a celebration of ignorance.

    I don't care what those egg-heads say, it's raining outside right now so there is no such thing as Climate Change.

    I didn't go to college, I'm grassroots. Can't trust some poindexter.

    Look, I put my spirit-level on the ground. Those nerds are saying the earth is a globe.

    Take bleach and shine lights inside to get rid of Covid

    So you vilify education. You belittle and even threaten scientists and scientific experts. And anyone who DOESN'T do this is one of the "Elite". One of "Them". And that's how you get and rule your cult "Oh that poindexter? What does he know?" It's not limited to the US. You had Michael Gove during Brexit period: "I think the people of this country have had enough of experts with organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong".... How did that work out?

    But it is a consistent trait that the educated are amongst the first targeted because cult leaders do not want people who question. And ironically they market this to their cult as being informed. How many times have you heard some flat earther or anti vaxxer or trumpist call someone sheep because they believe a proven fact? People willing to question can review a situation, analyze facts and even change their opinion based upon new evidence. I'm sure many non-cultists here have believed a situation, liked person/celebrity/whatever only for new facts to emerge which changes their entire opinion on such a situation or person.

    However with cultists, this is not possible: There is a person on the political "humour" thread who posts NOTHING but anti-Biden images. Usually with comment such as "Democrat scum" or something. Almost daily. Sometimes many a day. Then they post an image with: "Oh trump still hasn't been convicted. He's living in your head rent-free". And posting images about people having concerns with trump as being deranged... All without irony. There are many other posting on that thread, from many here, unrelated to trump or biden or the US at all. But not so with this poster.

    We all get it: trump was the protest vote against Clinton and the perception that there was an entrenchment or the same old same old in US politics. And, it must be said, it wasn't 100% wrong. 300 million people in the US and it was going to be another Clinton in office? Then what? Another Bush? Another Obama after that?

    But anyone with an ounce of critical thought is rightly horrified by what trump and his cultists represent and accept.

    • Celebrating serial sexual assault
    • Support of White Supremacist groups
    • Support of insurrectionists
    • Support of dictatorships and nations hostile to the US
    • Hatred of the American Prisoners of War
    • Support of assassination of political rival
    • Election tampering

    ALL of the above from his own mouth. In addition to below which are still pending or which didn't come from his own mouth

    • Conviction of sexual assault
    • Theft and exposure of top secret documents
    • Fraud
    • Additional sexual assault

    But his cultists will not accept anything above. Even the stuff from his own mouth they consider "Fake News". They are now limited to "But hunter's Laptop" (How's that going, anyway?). We even had some here celebrating that he was "only" convicted of sexual assault and not rape. Imagine the mind of such a person. Someone who thinks that being found guilty of Sexual Assault instead of Rape is somehow a good thing.

    Being found guilty of Sexual Assault is NOT A GOOD THING

    But harping on about it is "Fake News".... It is no coincidence that trump mouthpieces invented the term "Alternative Facts"


    Edit: Fixed a typo.

    Post edited by TheIrishGrover on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭valoren


    During the Ryder Cup a few weeks ago it was obvious by the Sunday that Europe had beaten the US. It all became a waiting game for what player would win their match and seal the cup. It feels like that with Trump. A litany of cases where he is down and beaten and it's becoming a case of which one will it be that finally sends him to jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    Eugene Debs ran five times for President. William Jennings Bryan had multiple runs, three times as the nominated candidate. If Trump is defeated by Biden for a second time, will he run again? He'll be 82 on election year 2028, a year older than Biden if and when he hypothetically wins the election next year. The GOP is Trump's, it's now becoming political suicide within the party to oppose him, or even not to be visibly seen to support him. Ronna McDaniels is stepping down from her RNC Chairperson role at the end of the current term, I suspect to sidestep the absolute chaos that will ensue in the following years of another election loss for Donnie T and I can't imagine her being replaced by a moderate, it'll most likely by a MJT level MAGA-Meathead. The anti-trump faction of the GOP are now so weak, they'd have no voice in trying to dissuade the party in letting him have another run, that's even if they aren't replaced by then by MAGA substitutes in their states. TIL, Ronna is Mitt Romney's niece. I never knew that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    He's never going to step foot in jail. Not even Rich Person's jail. Even if he did, it would only rile his cultists more. Their Martyr-In-Chief ("See? He's been in jail, just like us"). And would lead to more violence. That's how terrorists work. He'll be found guilty of some minor things but there will be enough bodies thrown under various busses to cover him against the big stuff. Despite what we all watched live and heard. The US court system will cave to terrorism.

    But, let's just say he did get jail time, yeah, I think that would actually get him to The White House.

    If he loses the next election it will depend on how bad. Unless it is a TOTAL wipeout of biblical proportions (You know how the GOP love "their" bible) then, yeah, they are stuck with him. Many here have been saying that since about Jan 10 when everyone flipped back to him after a day or 2 of questioning his morals and his insurrectionists. As you say, they are stuck with him. They are stuck with him (Because they embraced him) and the only way to keep his terrorist cell (Keep their votes and making sure that the only people being threatened by them are Democrats... You know, other Americans) is by maintaining his MAGA cult. This leads to escalation as each one tries to out-MAGA the next. We can see that already. It's not rocket surgery, we predicted this in writing here on this thread after the terrorist attack on Washington and failed Insurrection attempt.

    The sad thing is: His cultists think he actually speaks for them. Think he has their values. Even his cultists here. It's more than a little sad but that's what ignorance and fanaticism gets you, I suppose. Lonely, angry (mostly) men. And that's all he needs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    There was a time I thought the same, but at this stage the implosion of the GOP is extremely destructive to his chances.

    Couple that with the monumental legal troubles he has, I'm thinking he is toast.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Appeasement isn't a policy with a record of success.

    Let's be honest, Trump will never go to normal person's jail as you imply. I'd say what's most likely is a slap on the wrist because America's system has no interest in holding wealthy white men accountable.

    The cultist are cultural cancer. All they care about is spreading hate and committing acts of violence without consequences. He's their dream come true. There's a reason that they're cultists after all.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    I sense that when he (fingers crossed) loses the election to Biden and eventually drops permanently his re-election ambitions, if the next GOP nominee is a Trump clone, like Ramaswamy, I can see a large swathe of moderate republicans who saw Trump as a temporary phase in their party, switch parties or abstain from voting in elections. It’s easy to start believing that MAGAs make up almost the entire Republican vote, but it’s more believable that even though the support of the MAGAS has definitely increased in decibel levels since his election, the blind support for him has definitely decreased in numbers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Looks like the judge in the civil case has ordered Ivanka testify. Won't be any earlier than Nov 1 mind,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    4 days, meh.

    .

    If Trump can't go to jail then someone can be above the law, and with captured courts the american experiment is doomed and we should figure out what to do with the nukes before the last person leaves. It would be another democracy swallowed by the mind virus of autocracy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I feel that if he (hopefully) loses in 2024, he’ll continue his «Stolen Election» nonsense and will keep trying to put himself on the ballet.

    This is likely all he’s got left soon. His businesses will likely fold, his kids will turn evidence on him and become the enemy, and Melania will probably be out the door at the earliest. All he’s got left by then will be his MAGA cultists, whatever grifters choose to orbit him for their benefit, and the talking point of him being «America’s Favourite President» but having his office «stolen» by those lefty wokest elites.

    This is Donald The Rapist Trump until his sorry ass leaves this moral coil. It will be pathetic, it will be annoying, but it will hopefully serve as a life-lesson for others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    I would like to see a John McAfee type breakdown and exit. A half ton of mephedrone in Belize, bare chested and carrying a shotgun. Allegations of murder in the drug haze and wrapping it up with a suicide in a foreign jail. It would be a perfect hat-tip to his conspiracy theory swallowing, meathead, half-brains he has for followers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You joke, but we could still be heading into a timeline where this ends with guns blazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Nothing to fear with him and guns, as we've seen with his dexterity with water bottles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Its not him and guns that have to be worried about, its his faithful, gun toting followers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's not /his/ dexterity with guns I'm worried about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    "It's nice to know that even though money might get you an invitation to Kim Kardashian's birthday party, it's not going to get you out of testifying against your dad".- Mary Trump 💥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Thankfully they have the collective IQ of a quarter tonne of sedimentary rocks ...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    While I don't doubt the damage they could cause, they would quite quickly realise the 2A is not the effective tool for countering the Government that they so fetishize.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,868 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭francois




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think MAGA is gonna be the new Stars and Bars for all those lost whites who will cling to a loser, racist emblem for their own antagonistic identity. Trump will be long dead and his poisonous, aimless movement will inspire deplorables to crib about the Stollen Election that never was.

    Always worth reminding ourselves what "MAGA" stands for and what its quiet implication has meant for a lot of predominantly white people in America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The similarities between MAGA and the Confederacy are striking. Although there were earlier factors leading to the Southern States wanting to secede from the US, the election of Lincoln ultimately pushed the Southern extremists to try to break away in order to preserve white-power in their states. The election of Biden did trigger another attempt to take power from the Union Government (and an almost similar timeframe too, many states seceded in the weeks before Lincoln took office).

    I fully suspect that many of those flying a flag with the letters “TRUMP” emblazoned upon it would happily also fly the Stars and Bars or any other variant of the Confederate flag.

    One positive comparison however is that while the Confederate movement had the resources of their states to work with against a Union who didn’t have much of a standing professional army, these days the MAGA cultist are at least still marginal enough to not control a state outright, and that any new attempt to take on the Union would face a large, professional and heavily armed US Military.

    That’s not to say that they wouldn’t want to try, and that many of them are too dimwitted to understand the horrors of an actual war (or even the horrors of the Civil War they romanticise about), that some might take a second loss by Trump as the call they wanted to try and raise militia and storm state capitals. The result would be quite bloody….for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Would it even take that? At the moment we have Trump basically daring Engeron to jail him at this stage.

    He’s telling his brainwashed followers that it’s all a con, he’s innocent, the judge is crazy etc. You would imagine if the judge does send him behind bars even for one night, that may tip a few of the less mentally stable ones over the edge.

    I think that Trump really is leaving the judge no choice but to spend a night behind bars.

    If the law has to be seen to treat all equally, he has to be held in contempt, and taken behind bars. Fines won’t work on Trump. Fines are just another word for licences for those that can afford it.

    Whats $10,000 to Trump? It’s like fining an ordinary person a tenner.

    You get the feeling this is all coming to a head, and as painful as it is, the band aid needs to be ripped off at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,629 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Most of the republican leaning states are kept afloat by the democratic leaning ones. Financial reality means any thoughts of breakaway is a non runner. Interesting that a lot of people were putting little store in this case, but it turns out to be the leading one at this point. Hitting his finances will be the one to have most effect, esp breaking up and selling off the properties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Uncle Vlad will provide as long as he can for his ultimate useful idiot to stay useful.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It is not a coincidence that the case he is most engaged in and most concerned about is the one that targets his pocket.

    Money is the only thing he cares about.

    This case potentially takes it all away from him.

    It will prove beyond doubt that he has never really been a billionaire and it will remove the thing he craves most, the illusion of wealth and power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That’s if he can even do that for him anymore. Pre-Ukraine War, Russian oligarch money could certainly flow to Trump to be laundered (Giving Donnie the kickbacks he needed to stay afloat), but can the same happen now that Russian money is under intense scrutiny and in some cases blocked outright by sanctions? Add that to Russia hemorrhaging cash to such an extent that “Russian Oligarch” might eventually become synonymous with “broke loser who had everything until Putin tanked the country into an unnecessary war”.

    Donnie can’t rely Putin & Chums to bail him out, especially when they’re increasingly in debt to China and *North Korea* for the help they are getting from them. Trump’s only realistic shot to stay afloat now is to get some kind of grift going that can keep the lights on. Truth Social was probably part of that, but even that might be on borrowed time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Jailing Trump might actually be enough to trigger something, I’d agree there.

    I somewhat suspect that the reason they haven’t jailed him yet is due to practical issues. Basically, how do you jail someone with a Secret Service detail?:

    • Do you jail the Secret Service people *with him* so they can protect him? (Which wouldn’t be very fair to those agents).
    • Do you get the Secret Service to jail him at one of their places? (If so, there’s probably a jurisdictional headache to fix there)
    • Do you jail him in a Federal facility where the Secret Service can be part of the staff (Likely same jurisdiction issues unless a Federal case)
    • Do you allow the Secret Service to be part of the jailing staff where they don’t officially have jurisdiction? (Might be likely solution, but will create a chain-of-command headache.)

    Until they can create a practical framework where Trump can be jailed, but still has his Secret Service detail, I suspect they’ll kick this down the road with fines. Once they find a solution, then (hopefully) they’ll jail him if he is in contempt again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    In the same way you can have a police officer sitting outside a hospital room for the security of the occupant, I reckon the prison authorities could work round a SS person who was only responsible for making sure he was not attacked by other inmates/ staff had clearance to be with him. It would mean he was pretty much in solitary but that's not an unusual situation.



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