Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

OK then, I'll agree to the kingdoms being in the levant/Palestine territory but if you believe this then from same sources the Jews that created these kingdoms came from Egypt and colonised the area of the levant/Palestine.

So we've circled back to the same old issue. It is not and never has been the Jewish people's homeland.

They should have pitched their tent in Egypt in 1948, not Palestine.

The English Anglicans claimed the hospital surrounds were being used for shelter.

I imagine a combination of shelter and the need for medical assistance.

Apparently it's the oldest hospital in the region set up the Anglicans in the 1800s.

Paul Mason made a good point yesterday about why the hospitals are packed at the moment with refugees (as well as casualties). It's because Palestinian civilians, afraid of getting killed by Israeli bombing, are flocking to these areas as there are European faces there. People in UN helmets and medical uniforms are knocking about the place so they assume that it is an area that would be safe from attack. So the high numbers of dead and injured that are being speculated about could be possible.

Paul is talking about a literal fact, it's not just hospitals, but UN schools and camps that are hosting 1000s.

Honestly I don't know if it is a good idea or bad one.

Fourteen frontline humanitarian workers from the UNRWA are among the dead in Gaza,

They same to be fair sport too.

The same links you've sent referenced it. Unless you're cherry picking what you like from your own links aand eaving out what you don't?

I am applying very critical thought. The damage from the rocket was in a small area, localised & a car park. The hospital & the rest of the grounds appear unaffected. So where were the 500 ?

The cars were parked in the court yard.

I imagine the 500 if they do exist have been buried in a mass grave because the risk of disease, etc.

The morgues and hospitals are full.

There is no forensic teams sifting through body parts to identify the perished and give them back to their love ones.

More than likely scooped up in the bucket of digger.

But they haven't done any such thing ,

Makey up claims to support other makey up claims .

But lets give this a go so , just for the sake of it , if such a hypothetical situation arouse and Russia did place soldiers/fsb in an apartment block and an Ukrainian missile was fired and hit That block killed the soldiers/fsb and possibly civilians , Ukraine would not have committed a war crime ,but Russia would be guilty of a war crime, just as they were in 2014 when they first invaded and occupied parts of lughansk and Donetsk they placed Artillery, tanks, command and control structures, ballistic missiles in heavily populated areas and used apartment blocks as cover for when they launched attacks against Ukraine when Ukraine returned fire Russia was standing up at UN claiming that Ukraine were indiscriminately bombing civilians just as they have done week after week for the last 606 days in the invasion and occupation of Ukraine

To be honest there are so many hard liners on either side here, there are probably a few candidates for "hole pains" here 😀

I think unless the posters deliberately say that Israel should be destroyed that it is disingenuous to paint posters against the bombing, especially if they fail note their abhorrence to the Hamas attacks in every single post, as being Anti Semitic or Anti Zionist (or conflate those two terms). I dont believe posters on the other side have been referred to as being Islamophobic for supporting the current military action by the IDF, as a contrast.

Also I don't think those supporting the IDF methods can be referred to as ethnic cleansing, it is just nowhere near close to the truth.

Unfortunately as the thread has gone on posters have become very emotional, especially as the civilian death count has gone up, I definitely have not been immune to this myself.

I mean the sources for the 950 bce period is from biblical stories. Finding a random tablet here or there with a one word reference(zero context) tied back to a biblical story. It's hardly hard science.

It's also not agreed across all archaeologists/historians. Theres plenty who don't agree with it.

Much the same as the Egypt story. Some agree some don't. But you're the one using links claiming both but you only want to agree with one part and not the other.

Which sounds very much like bias to me.

You mean the ones that "smear" an entire race?

Also again that word "reckless".

So Hamas were just being "reckless" when they executed children 2 Saturdays ago.

Interesting.

I disagree. I am afforded that because I am not shamelessly imbedded in a narrative. Like I said brutal murder is brutal murder.

Under international law both Russia and Israel are an occupying military force and have annexed land that is not theirs. They are quite the same.

It also highlights the utter hypocrisy of the E.U, UK and the U.S and their mouthpieces on here parroting their propaganda.

Yeah doesnt sound likely to me. Obviously there wasnt a bomb blast, because if you ever saw the scene after one you would know that not a window remains intact or a car remains in place. Lots of those cars still parked, and a lot with windows still. So not a big blast but the fire could kill 500 people. Could you fit 500 people in that car park around those cars? Maybe some people were in the cars too.

If so Hamas would have videos of it all over the place. You would see burned bodies on the ground, burned bodies in the cars. Charred bodies on trucks. What do we see? Not 500 dead for sure. And not likely to now that it is clear it wasnt a bomb and was most likely Hamas that did it.

If it wasnt them Hamas would be on this like a fly on sh!t. They are afraid now to show more proof because they only show proof of their own act.

What we need here is a ceasefire. Hamas need to make it known that they will agree never to attack again and stick to that agreement, or Israel are sure as hell going to keep going. This is a war now and its really sad. Israel could stop now, but what will they get in return? They will just be attacked again and again and have to attack back at a future date. I dont believe it will ever be over, but Israel are at the point now where they are going to try and destroy as much of Hamases attack cabability as they can and maybe turn the people of GAza against Hamas. I dont believe that will happen at all though. Even if you didnt agree with Hamas in Gaza they would hunt you down and make an example of you. Its easier said than done to change things here.