"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

walshb · 16-10-2023 09:23PM

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A few absolute brilliant thoughts. Very balanced and sensible post.

aloooof · 16-10-2023 09:25PM

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Sarcastic nature of the post aside, lets actually examine what you're claiming here.

Hey everybody, turns out that this wasn't actually Irelands best ever chance to win a world cup. They weren't actually the number one team in the world

I've seen nobody claim otherwise.

they didn't have only one injury,

Hansen too looked to be carrying an injury tbh. Not bad enough to keep him out, but certainly not firing on all cylinders. Earls too was injured and may have made the 23.

New Zealand weren't actually considered 2nd favourites for only the 6th time in history,

Which, if anything, is actually indicative of how difficult a task it is to beat NZ

New Zealand didn't get hit with 2 yellow cards during the game.

Again, obviously nobody has claimed otherwise. Yet this overlooks the fact that discipline is something within your remit.

And most importantly, Ireland didn't actually underperform in the game, they didn't make a mess of their set plays and nobody was below par in any way at all.

Again, I've seen nobody make this claim.

So overal, rather than this:

Why do we have to pretend all that? Because some people can't be objective about what happened.

It's much more that some people like to present plenty of strawmen within their arguments.

Tommysocks11 · 16-10-2023 09:29PM

What's the issue with porters scrummaging, why didn't he just ensure he was square and just solidify the scrum without boring in and hips flared out, cost us 3 penalties and probably the game, and why didn't referee pull NZ on the line out encroaching where they were literally on our side and not keeping the distance?

aloooof · 16-10-2023 09:29PM

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Aside from anyone else, Sheehan should've been phased out 4 years ago?? Call up the U20's, lads!

16-10-2023 09:38PM

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We did not have a tough group. We won 82-8, 59-16 and 36-14 against 3 poor sides.

We played 1 tough match in the group, that's all.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 09:43PM

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We had a tougher group than NZ.

We could not afford to slack v SA.

Scotland get one of us a red card and suddenly an 8 point win is not a mountain to climb. It was a darn sight tougher than what NZ came through.

Who would be the first guys and gals whinging had we messed up in the group? The same guys and gals calling bottlers

16-10-2023 09:51PM

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Sheehan phased out at 21 would have been extremely harsh.

Paidin Mhaire · 16-10-2023 10:13PM

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That's a low blow for sure. How am I to increase my post count in environs of such exclusivity ?

16-10-2023 10:16PM

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What are you talking about red cards against Scotland for?

NZ pool was no tougher than ours, a top ranked team, a 6 Nations bottom feeder, and 2 dross teams making up numbers.

walshb · 16-10-2023 10:21PM

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What a truly silly observation

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 10:27PM

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Sometimes wonder did the new arrivals watch the tournament at all.

aloooof · 16-10-2023 10:27PM

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Equating Italy and Scotland here is just silly. Scotland are (unfortunately) a much better team.

In this RWC cycle, Scotland have won 11 6 Nations games. Italy have won 1 solitary game.

walshb · 16-10-2023 10:28PM

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No surer thing that many these posts about bottling and choking are from folks who are delighted we lost just so they can have a pop at the team because the rugby fraternity think they’re so great and so lauded and admired. It’s a begrudger stance with many.

Of course, they’ll pretend it’s all to do with standards and wanting the best for the team, but that’s all fake bollix.

Podge_irl · 16-10-2023 10:29PM

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a 6 Nations bottom feeder

🙄🙄🙄

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 10:32PM

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It was a bruising physical encounter with Scotland despite the score. Italy were so placid against NZ some of us here were wondering if they had thrown the game deliberately in order to face France in a winner takes all game.

Hence me wondering if these people actually watched the games and are just looking at score-lines. Would explain a lot

Seadin · 16-10-2023 10:33PM

Are there sports psychologists employed by the IRFU and if so who are they? They had a role to play in this too. The players were so nervous including Johnny which I can't get my head around. The players were trusting the process, why were they nervous if this was the case on the biggest day of it all for Irish rugby? Were they afraid to dare to dream? They made a right balls of it for a team that was supposed to win. This will haunt them especially when France were knocked out afterwards. They won't get a better chance of getting to a final. The are bottlers sorry to say at this competition, the RWC quarter final exiters.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 10:37PM

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What made you think they wouldn’t be nervous?

Nerves are routine NZ had them too. Watch the game, they ballooned kicks and threw dodgy passes at the start. The nerves for both disappeared

walshb · 16-10-2023 10:37PM

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How can you possible know that the players were “so nervous?” And you do realise, that some nerves aren’t always a bad thing.

Iamabeliever · 16-10-2023 10:47PM

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"Why were they nervous if this was the case on the biggest day of it all for Irish rugby" Probably answered your own question.

Murph85 · 16-10-2023 10:50PM

We had sa and the fifth ranked side in the world. The fact we obliterated Scotland i think, just shows our strength...

captbarnacles · 16-10-2023 10:53PM

People who are saying we bottled it go and watch the match again. Where and how did we bottle it?

Iamabeliever · 16-10-2023 10:55PM

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Think both teams looked edgy myself. Having a good start for both teams was crucial.

Hindsight is wonderful but we probably should of went to the posts on the first penalty. Even as a nerve settler. Lineout was never a guarantee.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 10:56PM

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Correct. In a hard physical game we beat Scotland. Nothing like what NZ went through via their 6 Nations opponents. That game was over without a physical challenge after 15 minutes and we basically had an exhibition game. Then there was the SA tempest that was hugely physical until the 80th minute.

16-10-2023 11:00PM

Now they want names of the sports psychologists!! Sorts Psychology has been around a long time, and it's been known for a long time that you can't completely control someone's mental state.

Regardless of all the 'walking through' each match situation, visualisation, affirmations, meditation etc a sports psychologist does with a player you don't know how they'll react come match time.

Do posters want to get Keith Barry in and have them going around in a trance🤣

16-10-2023 11:01PM

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We had Scotland beaten by half time. That was nor a tough test. It wasn't as easy as NZ's runout against a putrid Italy, but a tough game it was not.

NZ would have qualified from our pool, we'd have qualified from theirs.

You can't seriously be using the pool draws as an excuse for Ireland losing to NZ?

Murph85 · 16-10-2023 11:07PM

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I just saw this , if accurate, if we slip outside the top four by the time the next draw is made, Our chances of progressing to a semi final at the next world cup are seriously reduced. Likely by the next world cup things will have changed again, i.e England and Wales won't be as poor. but at the moment ; outside the four top sides , there is a serious drop off in quality... Australia will have probably gotten their act together too...

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2023 11:13PM

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FFS, you clearly didn’t watch. It was a hard physical game from a team who didn’t lie down despite the score.

Hansen and Lowe got injured in it. Hansen having to have a HIA too.

It was so intense at a point it boiled over into a shamoozle.

Much more sapping than anything NZ went through.

I am no more using it as an excuse. We lost because on the day NZ were better.

Before the day if you thought we were a better team that guaranteed us the win, that is your issue.

I certainly took nothing fir granted.

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 11:14PM

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How do people come up with this crap. Did you ever play sports?

The only thing you concentrate on is doing your job. It's about what's happening right now.

It's not about five minutes time or winning the match. If you do that stuff you aren't going to be successful.

Iamabeliever · 16-10-2023 11:31PM

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Are you saying that the occasion got to the players early doors which is why they didn't do their job.

eagle eye · 16-10-2023 11:45PM

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The start looked a little nervy. They got it together then and worked very hard for the rest of the game.

Lineouts have been a problem since before the world cup and that should have been rectified before our first game in the tournament. We did well at shorter lineouts and I'd have stuck with them outside of attacking five metre ones. The opposing teams were putting up two pods against our lineout.

It appeared the whole team got tired late in the game. I blame that on having our two most difficult fixtures at the end of the pool stage. We were the only team in the knockout stages who had a schedule like that.

Even then they fought very hard right up until the end of the game.

"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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