Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well hopefully after this GAZA will be under some close to moderate government and the Gaza blockade will finally come to an end

Totally agree. The attrocities being committed by both sides are already terrible enough as they are. Some of these fake stories are spreading around the world and causing outrage to the extent where people are using them as justification for piling on more misery. Very dangerous.

Absolutely not.

Nothing justifies the taking of innocent lives.

I am pointing out the law of unintended consequences.

Similar to the US supporting the Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan who would eventually lead attacks on the US, Israel was brutally attacked by an entity it had helped create because it was expedient in the short term.

Number of civilians dead in Gaza now far exceeds the amount killed in the World Trade Centres. And the Israelis had the nerve to call the attack last week the 911 of their country...

You are right, my apologies. I forgot an Israeli life is worth at least 40x more than anyone elses 👍️

Before Hamas' attack the opposition was playing games since the summer with their supporters refusing to report for voluntary services in the reserves, and a demanding reforms with the opposition arguing that the government was risking security by not giving in.

This was for the reserves not active military or those doing their mandatory service, and doing that isn't illegal and wasn't a large enough number of people to probably matter.

It probably had no effect on Israel's defence but both sides were arguing for the last few months that it did but putting blame on each other. That's been back to back news for months over there.

They both might have quickly formed the unity government but when this is over the opposition is going to get nailed to a tree for playing those games.

The right to defend yourself does not mean indescriminately bombing 2.3 Mn Civilians, dosplacing them leaving them homeless, turning off all power, water, supplies on ordinary civilian populations , hospitals, schools, communities and refusing to reconnect - despite false promises.

Not allowing any emergency supplies or safe to drink water through x 10 days. What twisted minds think that is "Defending Yourself". That is collective punishment, war crime whichever way you look at it.

Stop using that ridiculous excuse of defending ourselves/themselves against those big evil terrorists when the world can see the real terror mongers here are Israel.

No they were NOT water supplies resumed ....

Numerous credible sources on across all media this morning stating they were promised to be back on but no supply has reached any hospitals healthclinics southern Gaza. At this stage hard to believe anything promised by Israel. Also border crossing Rafal Egypt - Gaza was promised to.open 9 - 1pm today never happened despite a so called agreement in place vs US Egypt Israel..

Border still not open for the delivery of aid, stuck in limbo for 2 days now.

You forgot the whole concept of percentages as well obviously.

I think we all agree with that.

Has anyone ever seen poll data, if the Isreali Arabs, given the choice, woukd prefer to live under Isreali society & rule, or a Palestian Arabic society & rule ?

I would be curious to get their majority opinion.

Any estimates on how long Israel will be “full force” in Gaza Vs a wind down /containment?

Im thinking from the perspective of:

accommodation, food, medical supplies general supplies etc for the 1 million displaced people.

The human catastrophe already created is frightening enough - I just can’t think what things will be like 1 week from now - this is quite horrible what’s about to happen. They’ve “shook up” the place- great, maybe that will establish negotiation positions - but really what they’re about to do next is just ghastly

They can always exercise that choice and move to the West Bank. I think though mostly they recognise they're better off in Israel.