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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Battered them to a come from behind draw in a group where we drew 4/8 games and then in a must win playoff........we drew. Thats an interesting definition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You can look up the stats if you want. We had more possession, far more shots and dominated the game. A performance Kenny could only dream of. We deserved to win against a country who went on the the Euro semi final, also in our group were Switzerland who went to the quarter finals, knocking out France! And we came so close to qualifying. You may not like to admit it but we were competitive under McCarthy, that's a fact.

    From there, Kenny has dragged us down to an uncompetitive rabble. From 34th in the World rankings to 59th in the latest in running rankings. His results have been so bad that we won't even qualify for a play off for the next Euros. He's turned us into a laughing stock. And it's his backers in the media and his supporters like you who are responsible for letting this farce continue for far too long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Fotish


    Plenty people get jobs where they start at the top and work their way down.😀

    Dietmar Hamann summed it up in his post-match appraisal. “His lack of self-criticism worries me.” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    And his lack of self-criticism stems from one significant issue . . . . and that's Kenny's refusal to take responsibility for the results he has delivered. He always has excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    Also couldn’t beat Georgia in a must win game or the following game against the Swiss.

    McCarthys second spell in charge was ****. **** football and **** results. Just like the end of the MON era.

    Kennys time is up also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    So where to next? Looking at the list of candidates, Carsley seems to be the only one whose career is on an upward trajectory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,539 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    They don't need someone who's career is on an upward trajectory.

    They need someone who has experience getting the best out of average players and making them hard to beat.

    Who that is I have no idea, but there has to be someone out there that can try it and who's managerial experience above LOI is being run out of Scotland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    The MON and McCarthy spells can't be compared to the Kenny reign at all. There were lots of bad stuff under the first two but Kenny's time has been an unmitigated disaster from start to finish. We qualified and were competitive under our previous managers, Kenny finished just above Bulgaria in his first Nations League, miles behind the top 2. Finished just above Luxembourg in World Cup qualification miles off the top 2. Finished just above Armenia in his next Nations league, miles off the top 2 and finally came just above Gibraltar in his last qualification group, miles off the top 3.

    Trying to claim that Kenny's time in charge was in line with previous managers is complete nonsense and the last refuge of the Kenny fanatics. He was the worst manager we've had in 40 years. It will take years to recover from his reign. And all this is ignoring that the only somewhat positive results occured when he had others setting up the team, formation and tactics for him!



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd say it's only family members and maybe some deluded at this stage.

    Most of the cult have left the building.



  • Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ouch, when you see it like that that’s some fall from where we were 20 year’s ago.

    that’s reality unfortunately.

    But everybody knew 3 - 4 year’s ago that this reign was gonna be a tough to get through.

    Until we start building a proper league & invest in the infrastructure were dead and buried.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Motivator


    We did batter them. They had 1 chance and took it. We didn’t create a hatful of chances but dominated them all over the pitch. Enda Stevens had a rush of blood with basically the last kick of the game and blazed a shot high and wide when he should have squared it. Coming from behind in that game has absolutely no relevance, don’t know why you even mentioned it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Because we didn't win, and according to this thread results are all that matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I tried going into the soccer forum to see if he had any supporters left there but I can't! I have no access. I started a thread after the Holland defeat giving and asking for suggestions for a new manager on that forum, I got a 2 week ban for being anti Kenny (actual reason given by the mod) and now it seems my access was just removed.

    Not a big deal but it shows how much Kenny supporters disliked any criticism of their man or even suggesting we may need a new manager. It really has been a poisonous few years with Kenny and his backers in the media and in the stands trying to shout down everyone who dared point out the obvious, Kenny was way out of his depth.

    I hope with Kenny gone we can get some positivity back for our team. Our players are nowhere near as bad as some would paint. Plenty of talent there to be competitive. Yes, lots of work needed on many areas but having a team compete and possibly qualify tournaments goes a long way to developing the game, not least financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,318 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If you can't create chances and then take those chances, nothing else really matters. As I said in the match thread the other evening, Ireland's motto right now should be, "We'll huff and we'll puff and you'll blow our house down." The team shows a bit of energy at the start of games only to invariably be caught out. Denmark created one chance and took it - that's the kind of conversion efficiency every team should strive for on a regular basis.

    Unfortunately, it's been a generational problem for the Ireland team that they just don't quite have that cutting edge that really top teams do. People remember France 09 as a great injustice, and it was, but what people forget is that Ireland had a couple of extra chances on the night that a really great team is burying all day long.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah mods on tue soccer forum are seriously unhinged. This thread is great. You can actually have your own opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Motivator


    Oh I agree. All good teams are clinical and in Paris in 2009, the handball should have never even occurred. We should have beaten them 4-0 in normal time. Doyle had at least one great chance and Duff’s 1 v 1 was unforgivable really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    Out of interest. How would you set up the current group of players? What formation, what players, what style?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Motivator


    How would I set them up? I’m not paid €540,000 a year so I’m not obliged to answer that question. I think I’d do a better job at it than Stephen Kenny anyway. For a start, I’d play players in their actual positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,734 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I'd say give Roy Keane or Neil Lennon a chance but no doubt Kenny has to go for sure

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    Depressing options. I hope the FAI look a bit deeper than that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    You are certain Kenny is the problem and out of his depth but when asked for your ideas you offer nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 mascher8933


    Kenny will go and yes rightly as results have dictated that

    But we could hire whoever we want but the underlying problem will not be address. Now with Brexit, Irish players will not go to England until they are 18. Who then develops Irish players? Should it be what every other country in the world does, develop them through your own domestic clubs. This is where the problem starts, The FAI give each LOI club 10,000 a year towards their academies. This is where the real long term problem lies, not the manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭orourkeda1


    Justin Timberlake should get Lou Perlman in that movie.

    https://www.orourkeda.blog



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Joey Incalculable Martian


    mod

    we’re not going to start discussing or indeed bashing mods of other forums.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Why should he offer suggestions? You're acting like Kenny isn't out of his depth. The results and performances for the past 3 years have proven that he is miles out of his depth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭US3


    When you have players as poor as we do you need to be well organised and be good at set pieces. Sam Allardyce is exactly what we need



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    If you have read my recent posts you’ll see that I’ve said it’s time for Kenny to go.

    Why should he offer suggestions? Because we are having a conversation, I’m curious to see how the poster thinks we should set up and play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I don't think he'll ever be our manager so pointless really. Why time for Kenny to go now and not earlier when it was clear he was way out of his depth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Seeing Stephen Kenny jumping around and celebrating a goal vs Gibraltar in a dead rubber like we've just scored against Brazil in a World Cup sums up everything about his tenure...

    He is deluded...just wait and listen to his bullshìt interview after the match....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    To answer like you do then, I’ll never be CEO so it’s pointless me answering that question.



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