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"I started a joke, that started the whole world ......" | Ireland v New Zealand.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭almostover


    I think we place far too much stock in this 'world class 10' thing. It's an important position but not the be all and end all. Mounga isn't one, but he has the potential to be a game breaker as shown last night. What's far more important is a world class team, pack, scrum and lineout. No 10 in the world can guide a team to victory when their set piece and ruck is a mess like ours was last night. It's time for Crowley to get a go and we can see if he's up to it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭honestbroker


    Must say I was surprised Kleyn has not featured over the last few years, brings the kind of ballast and hard edge that could have made a difference in the last 30 mins, McCarthy could be one for the future but way off the standard and level of experience required for a clutch match against NZ. It will be pretty sickening if Kleyn wins a medal with SA a country not short of second rows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Cork29


    You are a bitter little man.


    we did not pick him, let him enjoy his opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭riddles


    I don't think any New Zealand player is waking up this morning thinking they played a team of softies somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭honestbroker


    I am not bitter towards Kleyn at all, fair play to him, my point is that he is deemed good enough by SA, a country with an oversupply of quality second rows yet we felt he could be discarded after the 2019 world cup failure under Schmidt.

    Apart from his qualities above he could have been our banker ball at 2 in the lineout last night instead of having to use O'Mahony when our throwing went awry.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Bottled it?

    A myopic view if ever there was one.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭roverjoyce


    Back row totally outgunned

    What does POM bring apart from a lineout jumper which is only an extra skillset

    No carrys or tackles of note last night and never close to a jacket

    Why was he kept for 4 years

    Conan must be wondering why he never got a chance to start in this world cup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Leslie Purkiss


    henderson couldn’t do anything wrong as he was 2 rucks behind the pace of play.

    POM likewise, apart from the cross field kick he should have caught. The one against the smallest man on the pitch. Quinny said in commentary that POM did well to “get off his feet” 🙄

    Sexton had a steady game. That was too big of an occasion for Crowley. He is for the future, but not last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭honestbroker


    "Conan must be wondering why he never got a chance to start in this world cup"

    Was he not injured?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    They failed yet again on the biggest stage. All the moral victory talk is cringe on steroids. Champions and the very best produce when the pressure is on end of story.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I see the usual clowns have arrived to spew the usual bile.

    Time to log out



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lining up in a figure 8 for the Haka. Literally living off of the day out in Chicago.

    NZ have long forgotten that match, and rise to the big occasion. We will write a play about it.

    Absolutely devastated at the result. NZ are just clinical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭VayNiice




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Jungle drums suggested POC is falling on his sword today.

    Sad end for another great servant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Watched it back this morning, up early....

    Kiwi tactical kicking was superb. They clearly looked at our defence and saw how well we have held a line and how good our defence is and also looked at our back 3 and saw kicking long gave little advantage. So they kicked into that bit in the middle and rolled the dice. I wonder was Schmidt the tactical brains behind this ?

    We didn't handle it very well.

    Our lineout very very poor and we also put virtually no pressure on theirs. Coaching has to be questioned here and specifically our lineout coaching.

    Porter got several scrums wrong, Barnes correct on those calls but also feel NZ had done some good analysis here and had identified his tendency to turn those hips in.

    TMO call on the Aki head hit certainly controversial and marginal. Otherwise the officials and Barnes spot on, he had a very good game.

    All in all our mistakes at set piece were the controllable that cost us the game. The Kiwi kicking game we probably could have done little to counter so for me set piece failure cost us the final.

    Talk it round all you want but that for me is the bones of it.

    Well done NZ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Dont Be at It


    I know people are getting annoyed by the term 'bottled it' etc, but as much as it pains me to say it we did a bit. Obviously not the same extent as previous years but enough to matter. We started very nervy and by the time we settled we were 13 points down - against a team pretty much your equal this is near unsurmountable lead.

    Serious questions need to be asked over the line out. We got the wake up call against south africa and seem to have ignored it.

    Three scrum penalties against a pack not known for having a big scrum. And Porter getting getting pinged for the same infringement 3 time - ffs, man. Even Murray giving away that penalty - what are you doing!

    Also as has been said here already, our rucks were well off. Clear outs, particularly in the second half were noticeably slower. NZ were clinical in that department.

    Sexton should have been subbed off with 15 left as well. He offered nothing in the last 10. A fresh sniping Crowley could have asked questions off a tiring nz defence. But the damage was done in the first 20. Nz are the last team you want to be chasing.

    Knockout rugby seems to be a serious mental block for Irish teams of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Leslie Purkiss




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    He didn't matter what backup outhalf was on the bench, Farrell was never going to replace Sexton . Sexton should have been pulled off at 60 mins .He had nothing more to give



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Dont Be at It


    Good synopsis.

    Although I really think we could have struggled against Argentina given the effort last night took. Impossible to know for sure obviously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I was making that point before the game.

    NZ kicked like that against SA in their win during the championship, they have 3 very good kicking options in the barretts and Mo’ounga and they identify empty space to kick into



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Conan was injured. Were u following the world cup at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I have that bellend blocked, I suggest you do the same. You will never see his posts except if quoted.


    Incredible game last night, even if most of our pack didn't turn up. Another 4 years until we try and prove ourselves again, on the biggest stage.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I know people are getting annoyed by the term 'bottled it' etc, but as much as it pains me to say it we did a bit.

    It's the exclusive use of the term, without expanding on the point as you have done, that's annoying.

    There's no denying that Ireland were well below par last night while New Zealand were on song.

    Yet despite that, one of the greatest sides in the history of team sport could only manage to eke out a 4 point victory against us.

    Yes we struggled with the pressure but that's what pressure does.

    But to merely say we bottled it is to miss so much of what's involved in competing at the elite, or indeed, any level.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Scrum penalties were bad calls. Lomax was boring in and porter was just following him in but I saw no one talking to Barnes about it. Need a forward captain. Savea slowing ball down at the end , Barnes says no clear release..Well that's a penalty then. Whitelock last play of the game was part of the tackle and no clear release but Barnes gave him the penalty. At the end of the day though all blacks were rattled at the start but our line out malfunctioned and gave them confidence. We had our chances but didn't take them and gave them gift of tries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    The whole game was Ireland team & management bottling it. Sexton looked scared shitless coming onto the pitch. He was hopeless and cost us any chance of winning the game. He should have been hauled off at half time. He could barely move after 60 minutes and yet was left on. Baffling. Farrell scared to take the old man off



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Well I'm sure when you take over as head coach you'll be able to address all of those issues.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭honestbroker


    Need to remember that the "spine" of this team have been beaten in European finals and semi-finals over the last 5 or 6 years by LAR and Saracens on a regular basis.

    LAR especially seem to have their number.

    This translates into poor decision making at crucial points in a tight game.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    This New Zealand team aren't one of the greats, nowhere near it. Probably the worst New Zealand team at a World Cup actually but they're on the way to the final. It hurts because it was there for us and unfortunately, we did bottle it. The expectations, quarter final hoodoo, whatever it was, we didn't handle the pressure. We choked.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I mean the New Zealand side generally rather than this specific selection.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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