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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    When did I talk about winning ways? I'd like to still be in with a shout towards the end of a qualification campaign. Something that was basically constant in my lifetime before that joke of a manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Unless you're 11 it's never been constant.

    We've qualified for 5 out of 19 world cups/euros since 88, with gaps of 18 and 10 years, that is the reality. so if your measurement of success is needing 2 results to go our way to make the play off then that's on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭reclose


    Kenny’s time is up but if anyone thinks we are suddenly going to be finishing second playing hoofball they are deluded.

    How did the MON and McCarthy eras end?

    Pretty sure we were losing games and absolutely struggling to beat the minnows 1-0.

    We need to change manager but we won’t be competitive until we have better midfield options.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    So what??? Play offs are great? We have won some? I don't even really know what your trying to defend. Kenny's record is abysmal. And his interviews are an embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Ah yeah, play for the draws and hope the team above you wins all their games so when you draw with them you'll get a playoff where maybe you actually try to win but usually don't. That's the dream for every young lad who throws on the jersey.


    Only one Irish manager has a win rate of higher than 50%, so let's not pretend Kenny is dragging down a historic lineage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Motivator


    So you’re excusing his blatant failure by complimenting the style of play? This narrative of him having the team playing good football is a total myth. I can’t understand how people are still running with this story. I honestly think you don’t even believe it yourself at this stage.

    Tell me how playing 4 or 5 passes around our own 3rd of the pitch before player panic and then launch it or just pass it aimlessly to the opposition is good football? It’s embarrassing. We are so easy to play against and play through. Teams must piss themselves laughing when they draw us. The players have absolutely no clue what they’re meant to be doing. You can see it on their faces in every single game. So tell me this, if the players haven’t a clue what the system is or what the plan is for a game, how does a joe soap in the stand or at home in his armchair meant to know? Last night was absolutely embarrassing from start to finish. There are literally no positives to take from the game, yet you still seem happy with things because Stephen Kenny is “trying” to do something? He’s had 27 competitive games and he’s won 5 and some of our defeats against poor teams have been abysmal. It’s not working, it was never going to work and it never will work.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian Kerr and Jack Charlton both had 50%+ win ratios.


    Stephen Kenny was an absolute imposter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Maybe get Steve back in haha. Has Kenny had any good wins? Maybe one? Scotland at home?



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That was the only decent win. The rest were minnows.

    He has lowered the bar to a new level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Staunton and Kenny are the only two managers to visibly take the team backwards in the time they were manager. Not bad luck luck or anything, they were just useless at the job and not up managing Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    And would you prefer the old ways of 0 passes around the pitch, just hoof and hope that Keane's foot or Duffy's head will get to it?

    Last night was turgid, but yes I've enjoyed previous games where the young lads at least look like they want to play a game of football over hoping a James McLean slide tackle gets us the ball so he doesn't play neutered for 87 minutes because he's on a yellow.

    Trying to do something will always get my approval over whatever it was we were doing before, and now the time has come for the rough draft Kenny has drawn up to be handed over to someone else to build on, and maybe try and find a playmaking midfielder somewhere in the youths.

    Or we can go back to hoofball, maybe the fai can pay the bar tabs in corporate again and the prawn sandwich brigade can pretend they like it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    When you look at the players Staunton inherited and how they started against Sweden in landsdowne, there's no competition for worst manager for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    No, just amused at the idea we've ever been good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭vid36


    Its over, in fact further humilation is all thats left at this stage.No guarantee he will finish on a high v the All Whites with a hugely depleted squad .But at least it will finish off this cult for good.



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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stephen Kennys level is the LOI.

    The poor man couldn't even string two words together in an interview to make things worse for him.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We were competitive.


    Now we are both poor and uncompetitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    Never existed? we qualified for multiple tournaments under …

    Jack, Mick, Trapp & O’Neill… also we qualified for a World Cup Quarter Final, World Cup Last 16… and in Euro ‘88 we didn’t let the side down in a group of death… England, Holland & Soviet Union… two out of those three teams ended up in the final….it doesn’t get any more difficult than that.

    So winning ways did exist really.

    Now we have Kenny ways…. We might as well have Kenny Everett managing us….. because the pure nonsensical gibberish coming out of him in interviews in the aftermath of horrible results and brain dead performances from him on the sideline and his players on the pitch is something to behold…..

    his lack of big game tactical nouse in situations that require a rapid tactical response and intervention and he’s just left standing there, looking on…… he doesn’t do proactive, he barely even does ‘reactive’…

    there are no reasons or mitigating circumstances that should enable him to remain as Ireland manager..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Motivator


    You keep mentioning “hoofball”. Let me ask you this, have we ever been as bad before? Don’t give me any nonsense about not having the players. We have several £20m premier league players and a potential £100m player in Evan Ferguson so whilst not being a great squad, for people to knock them and say the squad is awful is unfair. Constantly making excuses for Kenny is done and dusted now. The majority have finally realised what the minority spoke about 3 and a bit years ago.

    And yes I would prefer the old ways of 0 passes because do you know what, it always kept us competitive. Have you ever witnessed an Irish team throw in the towel at home in the manner they did last night? They do deserve criticism also but for that muppet to stand with his hands in his pockets until 70 minutes before trying to change things is unforgivable. He has plan A and that’s all he has. The unfortunate thing for all concerned here is plan A doesn’t work. The man is so far out of his depth it’s not even funny. Even his interview after the match last night said it all. He is totally clueless and always has been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I don't get this defence of Kenny by citing the style of play. When Kenny took over, our best route to a goal was via a set-piece. And that still remains the case today. 2 set-piece goals were scored by the Ireland team in this group in 2023. Idah's penalty vs the Dutch, and Collins' goal away to Greece which came from Ferguson's flick-on at a corner.

    In the Nations League when we lost 2-1 in Scotland, Egan's goal was from a corner. I think Egan got one against Portugal from a corner as well if I remember correctly. In the 3-0 win over Gibraltar, breakthrough goal came as a result of a Smallbone free-kick. The other 2 goals were crosses into the box for Ferguson and Idah to head in. So I don't get the argument in worrying about hoofball as the alternative when our best chance for a goal at present is by hoofing it to someone. Most of our pressure last night appeared to be from Smallbone hoofing it into the box and their keeper trying to punch it clear.

    Just imagine if, in addition to doing this, we could also be well organised defensively, and keep clean sheets into the bargain. Let's get a coach that can play to our strengths.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hamann was spot on. Kenny pulled the wool over some people's eyes. The overhaul of the style of play was nonsense.

    We went from being competitive to uncompetitive, while still playing **** football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭reclose


    Except we weren’t competitive at the end of the MON era or second Mick era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I wouldn't put Kenny in charge of the Women's team as he's that tactically inept and clueless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100% - where was the beautiful passing football he promised? We didn't see even a hint of it in the two games against Greece....all we saw was the team getting played off the pitch in both matches and looking disorganised and uncoached.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭cal naughton


    The link's to Lennon and Bruce are pure nonsense probably put out there by the cult to show that the alternatives are desperate.

    Why couldn't we get Gus Poyet a manager on 500k , schooled us tactically twice, has knowledge of English leagues and probably has a house in England still, can conduct an interview and most importantly has the charisma to motivate a team. Unlike Irelands dullest man stephan Kenny.



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