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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    Go on , Tony, give us some names, back up your claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Doesn't seem like there's any rescue plan for the hostages

    Just basically go in and destroy the place and make them think twice about repeating the atrocity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Hamas released a press statement yesterday in English. It never seemed to get reported on so here it is in full.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    Don’t be a tease, tell us why.

    My money is in a haphazard organiser who picked the only place they could get at the last minute.

    I’m sure your insider info is much more conspiratorial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,024 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's about as believable as the Israeli propaganda. :/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    The response should be to kill the terrorists while keeping civilian deaths to a minimum. The people who think that this is happing are deciding to ignore obvious facts and lacking in empathy

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    How do you propose that should be done? Ask them nicely to come out with their hands up?

    Hamas is a terrorist organisation, they use all of the terrorist tactics, including not giving a flying F about their own population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Cal4567



    Quite the thread this. As with the SF/PBP activist types, some people have just nailed their lives to the Palestinian cult, and now after many years, they just can't let go. Even the Hamas murder and mayhem that started all this, is just met with deflection after deflection.

    I would just let them talk to each other on here, just like in the demos they turn up to, you know, the ones where it's the same 100 of them, week in and week out. In a population that exceeds 5 million.

    If Ireland had a larger Jewish population, we'd be seeing more of the modern version of Juden Raus. No, you'll just ignore the antisemitic attacks because it doesn't fit with you agenda.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Hummingbird Project


    The truth is if Natanyahu doesn’t seize that land, miscreants from Hamas, Hezbollah etc and people like the IRA up north will attempt to outbreed the Israelis and seize the land through soft means like outnumbering and then either use democratic methods or rise up.

    Unfortunately, they have a more ruthless, base desire to the land by all means possible. Israelis are just defending their position in the Middle East by seizing the land. I’d they don’t do this they will eventually be totally outnumbered and overthrown as we are seeing up north in Ireland with the Catholic population reaching just over 50%.

    Israel has a right to exist in the Middle East and the denial of the attempt to outnumber by population surge is sinister and evil because the people who employ this tactic deny they are attempting to overthrow. It’s very evil.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    These threads are all ping pong and you're one side of the table too

    Seems like one as bad as the other here the Israelis and hamas



  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    Sounds like you are mostly concerned with breeding habits and base desires in the North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Former Israel deputy minister suggesting a plan for the Gazan's. It looks like Egypt and Qatar have stated they will not accept refugees this morning.

    The middle east countries just have to say we wont accept those people and they wont be able to leave. That leaves Israel with a bit of a problem, either bomb the city to pieces while the whole world watches on or find another move. What can they do ?


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Hummingbird Project


    What I’m disgusted to see is that the so called right wing politicians in Ireland have dumbed themselves down to take the side of the leftists. Mary Robinson, Leo Varadkar, yes their points are legitimate re international law but the Israelis are in a fight for survival.

    They are vastly outnumbered in the Middle East and you know the saying, if you’re not moving forwards you’re moving backwards. In terms of population it’s a fight for survival. If Israel are not expanding they are awaiting eventual attempts on their existence by the rapidly expanding muslim population and their outskirts.

    Gaza has grown from what 300,000 population in the 60’s to 2MM now? I’m not advocating population reduction but when you’re in a fight for survival and your opponent who vastly outnumbers you is outgrowing you significantly there can’t but be a situation where the stronger population targets the smaller one as Hamas have done with Israel.

    Israel needs to expand or limits out on muslim population growth to even out the stakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Finally someone on here with the inside scoop

    Please do tell, this is so exciting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,486 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2 million Palestinians aren't marching on Tel Aviv with weapons.

    It's 25,000 Hamas terrorists that are fighting against Israel.

    This narrative that "the Palestinians are fighting back" is a falsehood.

    Terrorism struck Israel, is the accurate headline.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You show me where they were ordered to leave by the Azerbaijani army and I will believe you.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Willow Fresh Ballerina


    Israel is not outnumbered by Palestine. They have a very strong military too.

    Your use of the words breeding and population reduction is dehumanising.

    Israel is not under any threat of being overrun by Palestine, that is simply not the issue here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,142 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The IDF response in Gaza would be the equivalent of the British shelling Irish cities killing thousands of innocent civilians in the aftermath of an IRA attack against an English city.

    We still talk about the British sieges of our cities centuries later. Brutal mass collective punishment, targeting civilians to try to get them to turn on the insurgents is a brutal vicious and cowardly strategy of domination and subjugation.

    It only leads to generations growing up hating the occupying army and dedicating their lives to resisting them.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    More dubious Israeli propaganda emerging all the time.

    We are asked to believe that in an attack in preparation for years, with meticulous planning, the terrorists forgot that schools would be closed on a public holiday.

    The mantra now among many pro Israel voices is to question any of the “information” they provide is akin to Holocaust denial and questioning their response is anti Semitic.


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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Hummingbird Project


    This is another myth I think needs to be addressed. And it has been mentioned by many so called right wing politicians in Ireland as well as Michael Martin saying two wrongs don’t make a right. Israel isn’t starving Gaza, they are trying to clear the city while they go in and target Hamas who won’t move until they are dead.

    if Israel can move the population out temporarily by stopping food, water electricity, they can then separate Hamas from normal Gazans and take out the target of Hamas. Unfortunately, everyone saying this is a tactic to target the innocent Gazans is incorrect and they know it but they’re trying to twist the terms of the motives of the Israelis employing this tactic. It is to save Gazans not cause a humanitarian crisis.

    From what I can see, Hamas and what is now obvious terrorist sympathisers here are calling it a tactic to punish the innocent civilians. It’s blatantly isn’t and using that as ammunition to undermine the Israelis is evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Jesus Christ. Now Muslims having children is the problem and justification for Israel bombing the **** out of Gaza and seizing the territory!

    The mask slips



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,142 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Do you know where Hamas gets much of the materials they use to build the rockets they shoot back at Israel?

    They recover them from unexploded shells that Israel fire indiscriminately and at civilian targets.

    This offensive won't destroy Hamas, it will destroy tens of thousands of innocent lives, and resupply Hamas with fresh explosives to launch another futile and stupid and pathetic attack in a few years time.

    And with every offensive, more and more land is taken and the people in Palestine get squeezed harder and harder.

    We've seen it all before, Israel targets hospitals, news media, peace keepers and international observers.

    The ultra zionists in Netanyahu's government know exactly what they're doing. They have no interest in peace for the Palestinian people.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Some people will believe anything. There were reports of a German army tank crew being killed fighting in Ukraine. Also BS.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    No idea what you’re talking about Palestinian civilians are fighting back, they’re getting bombed out of it. That’s worse than terrorism, it’s a war crime.



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