Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I have no idea what you are saying then or what you are trying to justify. It seems you were saying because of their intransigence to give up their claims to the land and that the Israeli culture is better that the Arabs should leave or something. It does sounds alot like what happened to the native Americans and would have happened here too if we hadnt had defeated the British. I dont favour the Arabs over the Israeli or wish one party was defeated by the other.

A lot of commentators on social media do have the opinion that we should support the Jewish people over the Arbas in this land dispute because the jews are more like us and have more Nobel prizes- its all nonsense.

The difference is that capturing the Hamas fighters is a legitimate act of war. Taking Shani Louk hostage is a war crime.

Im sure they will but the ultra violent, ultra fascist theological hole that is Gaza has to be neutralised as a threat first.

Certainly Iran needs taking care of as well. It is a significant global threat.

Are you denying hamas killed children in Saturdays and Sundays terrorist attack, what is currently happening in Gaza since Saturday was brought up the Palestinians by terrorists , terrorists who are directly funded by others countries,

Has Hamas done anything to improve the lives of Gazans over the last few decades, have they tried to do anything that didn't involve terrorist attacks and sending kids off on suicide bombings and killing under the guise of Martyrdom,

Both sides have to be condemned absolutely condemned,

But until both sides realise that violence only breeds violence then nothing will change,

One side has made concessions the other has made zero consessions while continuing to regularly carry out terrorist attacks

And there's eye witness testimony of Hamas carrying out rapes during the horrific attacks at the music festival.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/survivors-of-hamas-assault-on-music-fest-describe-horrors-and-how-they-made-it-out-alive

The Whitehouse has clarified Biden's statement. I think your post might have been a bit premature ........

Indeed, and with the eyes of the world on the region the impetus is there.

Israel is the more powerful combatant. It is not being invaded and is fully mobilised to be able to defend its borders against militants who managed a surprise attack but are not capable of taking on the Israelis head-to-head. They are in the better position to keep cooler heads and think in longer terms.

They had global sympathy from the events of the weekend and eyes were opened to the nature of Hamas — for whom this is not a freedom fight, but a fanatic cultist Jihad. There was room for Israel to step forward and show the world that they are the conciliatory force and that, from an "enough is enough" standpoint they are committed to a sustainable solution. If they could react reasonably to the horror perpetrated on them, in full acknowledgement that such things are easier said than done, there was opportunity.

Instead, in demolishing Gaza they are demolishing their goodwill. They are acting with the same vengeful emotion that sent the Americans into hopeless wars after 9/11 that made the world more unstable, more dangerous, cultivated more hate and only contributed to the cycle of violence.

I think your “logic” is perverse. Rape in wartime has nothing got to with being “young and attractive” it’s about hate, terror, domination and humiliation.

Putin hasn’t used nukes for a number of reasons. He probably doesn’t see the military value in it (yet), he doesn’t want to irradiate half of Ukraine and Russia (easterly wind) and I’d imagine the Russian nuclear arsenal is as disappointing as its second army of the world has proven to be so probably doesn’t want to prove that to the world either. Unsure of how nukes came up to be honest. You claimed Isreal was a terror state intent on exterminating the Palestinians, I highlighted how facts would show otherwise. I used Russia as an example of a terrorist state that actually is working to severely harm the ethnic makeup of Ukraine as can be seen in its mass kidnappings of 100s of thousands of Ukrainian children. Isreal has never kidnapped a Palestinian child as far as I’m aware? Actually Hamas are the only side of this conflict guilty lf mass kidnappings which means they are the one sharing common ground with Russians terror inducing actions here.

As for the water, if I supply my neighbours water and he breaks in ans murders my family well then I’m going to turn the supply off simple as.

To complicate it a bit more it’s the “next step up” as Israel has to be seen to match the level of escalation that Hamas has brought to this conflict in the last week. I’m not justifying it as a moral or correct act because it’s not, it’s horrible and will cause immense suffering but I’m also mature enough to realise that that’s what happens in a war that has been opened as this one has. I don’t think it’s Israel trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza or end the Palestinian people etc.

Turn the water off, as a landlord, or a neighbour where the water valve was inadvertently left on your property, and you'll find yourself prosecuted.

Its important to not post daft stuff. Simple as.

Are you seriously arguing for a return of all lands everywhere to be returned to the descendants of original holders as of 500BC?

Who will come for your house?

If that is your “history lesson” then I can recommend some further reading for you.