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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kenya Late Timekeeper


    His position must be untenable.

    It was only a few weeks ago he was facing mass protests against his judicial power grab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Obliteration is going to happen and on a scale we not seen before, allies are watching people celebrating this attack,

    You be bet one thing currently 150,000 Israeli soldiers are being mobilized with another 80,000 getting notices to calling them up , make no mistake this will be full scale war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Unless they expel everyone from the Gaza strip it wont be an obliteration. 2.5 million live there- Israel may kill thousands but even if they start deliberately bombing civilians the population will recover. The Palestinians have no where to be expelled too so Israel will still be left with a belligerent neighbour.

    If Israel do have a full scale invasion they will just magnify their own losses. Wasnt there an invasion of the Gaza Strip late 00's. Did that solve anything?



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kenya Late Timekeeper


    Because geopolitics is not black and white nor does the world revolve around Western ideals.

    More broadly speaking, it's a case of self-determinisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The last time something of this scale happened to Israel was in the early 70s.


    The **** around responses of the 80s in Lebanon etc, the 90s and last 20 years were appropriate to the vastly smaller threats of the time.


    This is having them go to a total war footing, a war focused economy and society.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    The registration of the Jeep that took the bloodied woman away is clearly visible in the video.

    So if it's stollen Israeli car maybe it has a tracker or if Palestinian then in sure Israel has all information of car registrations.

    I hope she is OK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Lots of electronic stuff on the Jeep.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They couldnt even win in Lebanon, though they killed enough. Even after America struggling against two lightly armed insurgencies how is there a perception you can win politically by having a big modern army blowing sh!t up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,158 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The harder they come down on the Palestinians the more Hamas will like it. It will ensure their future and ensure they have even more volunteers to fight future battles. They are going to play into their hands for sure though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They will not be as restrained now as they were in the Lebanon.


    They know that they will keep being attacked whether they go for peace or war. Hamas don't care.


    If they don't prevail then every Jew in Israel dies.



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kenya Late Timekeeper


    In front of the UN only a couple of weeks ago.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I dont support Hamas or the destruction of Israel just questioning what exactly you think they can achieve this time compared to everything else they have tried. There are a fair few war crimes associated with Lebanon so not sure how you think they or their allies were restrained in that conflict.

    They will destroy alot of Gaza and make things even more miserable for the inhabitants there and Netayanhu will play the strong man. That is all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    "Because one side is culturally more advanced". Israel defence and armys ability to attack is paid for by the US. It is hardly a fair fight. US and the brits really fucked up with the creation of Israel. Should have just let it be nomans land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Maybe they will force Egypt to open the border and take the population of Gaza, let them set up their theological fascist utopia in a skelp of western Egypt.


    There are lots of options, the only certainty is that it will be at a much more severe level than anything seen in 50 years.


    They will look at it now from the perspective of "if we don't win here. We all die".


    That's not been a consideration in 50 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Maybe if the Muslim brotherhood was in charge but not with the current regime. Egypt doesnt need the headache and why would Egypt help Israel?

    You can handwave the problem but 2.5 million people are no going anywhere. Israels big modern army action is not going to solve that problem whatever they do over the coming weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,266 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It seems to be the standard, at least on social media, that supporters of Palestine also support Putin. Perhaps it's because they hate the Americans, and NATO in general?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Another thing annoying you hear is "Israel right to defend itself ". Sure defend yourself against the attack. Ie stop the attack. But they didnt defend themselves from the attsck and are just going to kill a few hundred or even thousands of innocent civilians in retaliation. That is not defending yourself that is another terrorist act. That would be like Britain bombing dublin everytime the IRA bomed Britain during the troubles. Israel is a terrorist organisation masqurading as a country.


    I actually know a guy from Israel. He seems normal enough apart from when you talk about this. They honestly see pastanians as vermon. Sub humans. No right or equality. A much more extreme example of the way catholics up the north were treated. There will always be trouble here. I really hope Israel days are numbered. Should never have been set up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Paul Murphy TD reposted this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,688 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    I think forced deportations are a war crime but everything may be on the table after today.

    How much of that 2.5 millions would be males of fighting age?

    But as you say why would their neighbors take them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Maybe but that the response will dwarf anything seen in the last 50 years is a certainty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They wont, its such an unrealistic idea to even posit. It shows there is no easy solution.

    Jordan had terrible problems with their Palestinian refugees so no other neighbouring countries will take them in that numbers. Palestinians may have no long term strategy but either does Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Why is it unrealistic?


    It's probably the only one thing that resolves the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    And at the end of the day it wont make a blind bit of difference. It reminds of the terrible atrocities colonial powers inflicted before leaving their colonies, such as the Algerian war of independence. In those fights too the rebels were particularly vicious and cruel.

    But Israel cant give independence any time soon so will be left in this precarious situation for the forseeable futue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,824 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Egypt wont take them on or any other country. They have never shown any inclination to want to take them on. That is what makes it unrealistic.

    Perhaps next the Republic will take all Catholics up from up North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭emo72


    As an innocent just walking into this thread, I have no idea who is right or wrong in this dispute. Israel has superior power and US backing. Palestine will launch something whenever they have something. But Israel will hit back with massive retribution. It's all fucked. No one wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I've no doubt Israel's response will be pretty heavy handed. But there seems to be a lot more coordination with this latest Hamas attack and I feel they have planned for a full scale ground war with Israel. Thousands of rockets have been fired by Hamas, but what have they not used yet? (drones etc...)

    Hamas have to know Israel are going to retaliate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I'll echo this second paragraph . I also know an Israeli man and he gets very animated when you mention Palestinians. The hatred is like nothing I have seen for anyone else. Sub human is not even coming close to how Israeli's see Palestinian's. He lives in an area with regular rocket attacks over many years. Did an extra year military service voluntarily. His prime response is "what do you expect us to do" when attacked and I agree with him. If you attack Israeli's then expect an attack back. He had to agree with some British Muslims on the course to not mention the ongoing conflict (5 years ago and not the current one) so we could all at least have a night out in peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    i agree and i disagree.

    sure they'll knock 7 shades outta one another and after they have spilled enough blood, they'll settle down for a few months/years.

    then things will start to simmer and bubble, and eventually boil over again, and then we'll have another round of blood letting. and so on & so on ...

    it's actually quite boring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Hamas got great PR from this today

    And likely will get much more support from their supporters from the outcome of today.

    They have likely put in motion for a lot of Palestine civilian to be killed.

    I don't think they care thought.



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