Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

17071737576410

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭SM01


    They're not really. A few lads on boards who don't like Liverpool are. You seem to be on a driven mission though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Ah not really. I actually quite like Liverpool. Only a bit of craic. I don’t think klopp should have said what he did but enough enough now. Wish Liverpool luck in their match tonight



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tbf, they've been doing that to Spurs for the last 40 years 😁

    It's a joke BTW!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Seems like a lot of people read a headline, and didn't listen to the full segment.

    Klopp said (and I'm paraphrasing in this bit) if he was not 'involved in the game, and that sort of situation happened in a neutral game, as a fan of football he would look for a replay because of the unprecedented nature' where the goal was awarded, but not given on the scoreline. It was not a subjective or technology error and thus not all wrong decisions should be replayed. He specifically made the point to say he was not speaking on behalf of Liverpool in that thinking.

    Klopp also said that the game can't be replayed because it opens the floodgates on wrong (subjective) decisions.

    Still no need to mention it, but I think there were other reasons behind it really. What they are doing in keeping the attention on the ****-show that the PGMOL have turned into since Webb took over. Liverpool are sick of a lot of weird occurrences in their games and want them taking out of the game. And btw when Webb was head of the refereeing of the US soccer, he ordered a replay of the game because of a referee cock-up with awarding/not-awarding a legitimate goal also.

    Liverpool have not asked for a replay, and either did their manager and I don't think they should/will either.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    I understand his sentiment, but he was giving a press conference as a Liverpool manager for the europa league. He wasn’t down the pub chatting to his mates. It was iladvised but klopp is shrewd and he got his point across:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Do you not understand the quote? Liverpool are not looking for a replay, Jurgen Klopp, a football person, is looking for a replay.

    Sure, as a football person, he has nothing to do with Liverpool, just like all the other football people who are looking for a replay (list is available on the back of a postage stamp).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,476 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Part of me thinks Levy would secretly love a home replay too as it'd get him more gate receipts.

    It'll never happen though. Time to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    You're claiming that Liverpool are making an official appeal now. Where is the actual proof in this, or is another example of you making up claims about Liverpool?


    You previously claimed a few days ago, with no proof, that Liverpool owner's demanded a game to be replayed in the US. Which was also proven to be incorrect and then you tried to make up some story about a lad in the Sky Sports studio saying it instead.


    Just stop making up lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    exactly, time to focus on the big game this evening; Qatar v Saudi Arabia & a taster of what Wednesday night Middle Eastern Super League will be like once they get their CL up and running in 2025:)



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,960 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    Klopp knows what he’s doing, guarantee Liverpool will get every 50:50 call for the rest of the season, VAR official will be petrified to go against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    this is why I wish Klopp has not said 'replay'. Most football fans, I'd bet, if they're honest with themselves, know these things to be true:

    Klopp shouldn't have mentioned a replay.

    He knows he's not getting one.

    He knows the club haven't asked for one.

    Fans don't want one.

    This is a tactic of his to put pressure on PGMOL, rightly or wrongly.

    But what Klopp has needlessly done is make the suggestion of a replay the story. Just keep the story on PGMOL. All he had to say was 'I don't think there would be a replay, even if we wanted one, which we don't, and anyway ... it doesn't really matter, as I'm only concerned with seeing that we have the best referees, and the best implementation of VAR possible. That didn't happen on Saturday. So until we see proof that better systems are put in place, then this will keep going.'

    You then keep pressure on without distracting journalists and fans with a pointless tangent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    he can't just say the words PGMOL though, as they will target him (again) with fines and suspensions. He said as much on Saturday.

    He has to say something, without saying certain things. As he clearly feels thinks are going against him now the last while. There's been a couple of 'extra-ordinary' incidents since Webb has come in as the boss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    You're paraphrasing quite a bit there to the point of distorting what he said. BBC aren't reporting it the way you've spun it (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67003386) nor are thisisanfield.com who covered the press conference (https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/10/live-jurgen-klopps-liverpool-vs-union-sg-press-conference/). He said nothing I can find about "if he wasn't involved in the game and that sort of situation happened in a neutral game".


    What he actually said:

    "The audio didn't change it at all because I was not really interested in why things happened. I saw the outcome, I saw a goal and it didn't count. I was not waiting for the audio. I think it's really important that we really deal with it in a proper way. All the people involved, onfield ref, fourth official, `VAR, they didn't do that on purpose. Yes, it was a mistake, an obvious mistake. I think there would have been solutions afterwards. As a football person, I think the only outcome should be a replay but it will probably not happen."


    He also didn't understand why the word escalate was used in the statement:


    "The word escalation didn't come from me. I don't even know what it means. I know what it means but I wouldn't put it in a letter."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭jacool


    Sky Sports have a lot to answer for here.

    They spent the morning (someone told me, I was working) saying that TAA and Klopp would be giving a live press conference (incidentally, about a tournament Sky don't cover, so they don't care really). They kept using words like "explosive" and then made sure that they had a reporter in to steer the conversation if it didn't go their way.

    Trent buried it quickly enough, but they poked the bear with Jurgen.

    Now, my friend has told me(!) its down as BREAKING NEWS on that strap/band that goes along the bottom of the screen. "Jurgen wants replay".



  • Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    I guess klopp hasn't learned from John Delaney



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    You've left out an awful lot of what he said, to the extent that you're completely changing what my post is. You've actually ignored all of the quotes associated with my post. I think you should go back and listen to the full interview, instead of jumping on headlines. Do better.



    Me: if he was not 'involved in the game, and that sort of situation happened in a neutral game, as a fan of football he would look for a replay because of the unprecedented nature' where the goal was awarded, but not given on the scoreline.

    Klopp: “I can say immediately, and probably some people don’t want me to say it, not as a manager of Liverpool so much, more as a football person, I think the only outcome should be a replay.

    “I think the situation is that unprecedented that, it didn’t happen before, I’m 56 years old and since 50 years in football and I am absolutely used to, don’t always deal well with it, but I’m used to wrong decisions, difficult decisions. "Something like this never happened, so that is why I think a replay is the right thing to do,"


    Me: Klopp also said that the game can't be replayed because it opens the floodgates on wrong (subjective) decisions.

    “The argument against that, will probably be if we open that gate, then everybody will ask for it.

    "As a football person, I think the only outcome should be a replay but it will probably not happen."

    "These things should not happen. Other mistakes should not happen. Find a solution to deal with it."

    "If it would happen again, I think a replay would be the right thing to do or the ref brings both coaches together and says OK let's sort it."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Here's the full clip. He does say he thinks there should be a replay. The grey area is whether he meant that comment as a layperson or not. Personally, I think when he's sitting at a press conference as Liverpool manager he doesn't get to pick and choose what comments are from a personal capacity. He's there on official business. He also mentions Jones red card and how he didn't think it was a red, so he was laying it on thick during the presser.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    You made it seem that he was talking about a hypothetical game. He wasn't. He explicitly said he thought the game from Saturday should be replayed. He's tried to distance himself from LFC in that opinion but when you're the manager of the club, decked out in Liverpool gear, at a Liverpool press conference you can't make that separation.


    He knew what he was doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Of course he is speaking hypothetically.


    "If it would happen again, I think a replay would be the right thing to do or the ref brings both coaches together and says OK let's sort it."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭jacool


    Jones' red was the same as Casemiro's - both unlucky, actually playing a football, but getting caught out because its a round object.

    Letter of the law - they are not getting changed.

    I don't know why he went there tbh. unless he was getting at how they used VAR in the match. Unsure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    You're doing it again. Of course the situation is all hypothetical. But you made it seem like he was talking about a hypothetical game:


    You said:

    " if he was not 'involved in the game, and that sort of situation happened in a neutral game, as a fan of football he would look for a replay because of the unprecedented nature' "


    That's not what he said. He specifically said he thought the game from Saturday should be replayed.


    You're trying to minimise what he said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Stop talking sense. Do we even know if it was Jurgen Klopp who was saying it and not a hypothetical man in disguise?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    My favourite conspiracy theories, mainly from several posters on RAWK, are that the officials wanted us to win because Man City's owners are clearly paying them.


    City are great for wanting to gift us three points. Given the results we've had against them over the years, you have to admire their generosity. They must be closet Spurs fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's very easy to understand why. He's bundling them together in the hole that the pressure they get out under for one decision helps overrule the other. Got to give him credit, he knows how to play the game.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,870 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara




This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement