What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-10-2023 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192136#Comment_121192136

Considering he has a few upcoming trials he's required to attend, is this practicable? Can you.be Speaker remotely?

Leroy42 · 04-10-2023 09:35AM

I see Mccarthy and the GOP are decrying the Dems for not saving their man. Saying they are being partisan.

Didn't MCCarthy refuse to condemn Trump over Jan6th? Has backed him regardless of all the indictments?

This is a mess purely of the GOPs own making. The deal Mccarthy agreed to to get the job was always going to end this way. The GOP should have stood up against Gatez then, instead they gave in to secure Mccarthy what he wanted and have paid the price.

All this just to support Trump!

everlast75 · 04-10-2023 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192209#Comment_121192209

He's been phoning it in for years....

Penn · 04-10-2023 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192240#Comment_121192240

Takes a lot of balls to point the finger of blame at the opposing party for not crossing party lines to solve the issue of a small group of the majority party from ousting their own leader in order to try and force their own party to bend to their will.

It's like a player for a football team intentionally scoring an own goal, and then that whole team blames the opposing team for not standing aside and letting them score two goals against them.

everlast75 · 04-10-2023 09:44AM

Zing!

Quin_Dub · 04-10-2023 09:49AM

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Exactly - McCarthy has been a dead man walking since the day he picked up the gavel.

He was so desperate to get the gig that he was prepared to utterly gut it's power and control without thinking about the implications for himself.

The Democrats will now put Hakeem Jeffries forward and he will top the vote each time because they will vote as a block , but not get the necessary majority over and over again as the GOP fight among themselves.

All Gaetz needs is for a half dozen nutters to stick with him and no one gets elected Speaker.

All this and another shutdown too - Because they will absolutely shut it down in 42/43 days as well.

Just in time for Thanksgiving - They really do know how to win people over , don't they?

pixelburp · 04-10-2023 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192306#Comment_121192306

How many need to walk across the aisle to get Jeffries in? I can't remember how close the votes were last bajillion times; I do wonder if there are any GOP members who are sober and canny enough to vote Jeffries just to present as wanting government to take place. There surely must be some congress members absolutely ranting privately about being led by a MAGA cult minority.

Quin_Dub · 04-10-2023 09:57AM

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They are absolutely ranting about it , but crossing the aisle for a Speaker vote would be political suicide for any GOP member to be fair.

Think they'd need 6?

Are there 6 "sane" GOP Congress members that are retiring in 2024 so they don't care about being Primaried?

Penn · 04-10-2023 10:04AM

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Currently 221 GOP, 212 Dems, and 2 vacant seats (one was GOP, one was Dem).

218 is the majority required for votes, so all Dems + 6 GOP would get him in. I don't see it happening though.

everlast75 · 04-10-2023 10:07AM

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It doesn't really matter though.

To the American public, you have one unified party consistently putting forward a respectable candidate for house speaker.

On the other, a party who just fired their own speaker and are racked with infighting, and who will probably cause a shut down.

The optics for the GOP are absolutely awful here.

Penn · 04-10-2023 10:15AM

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Agreed, but it unfortunately highlights how tightly the House is split that about 8 members of the GOP can wield such influence and be able to try make their entire party acquiesce to their demands because they hold just enough votes to stop anyone from reaching a majority without party lines being crossed. All they have to do is vote Present rather than for either candidate, and neither side can reach the 218 votes.

So anyone from the GOP trying to lay the blame at the Dems' doors is just nonsense. It's entirely a mess of the GOP's own making.

TinyMuffin · 04-10-2023 11:47AM

Mtg and boebert missed a trick by not voting against him. All the airtime they’d have got out of it.

nachouser · 04-10-2023 11:53AM

I've seen it described online as "Republicans are attacking Democrats for not stopping Republicans from attacking Republicans."

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 04-10-2023 11:55AM

So, is there a Republican, then, that had a likely chance of getting 218 votes?

This has the potential to make for a very long-winded shotshow

pixelburp · 04-10-2023 12:03PM

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Correction: another long-winded shotshow 'cos we've been here already with McCarthy's election. No doubt it's gonna happen again and again.

Penn · 04-10-2023 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192814#Comment_121192814

Same as with McCarthy trying to get the votes for Speaker at the start of this term, nobody in the GOP will get 218 votes without either getting some Dems to agree to vote for them (unlikely) or without getting Gaetz and his cohort to vote for them, and that would involve basically agreeing to do whatever they want.

One of the main reasons McCarthy got Gaetz's vote last time was agreeing to amend the rules to mean only one member is required to call a vote to remove the Speaker. It was intended so Gaetz could vote out McCarthy if he didn't keep to their agreements. And it worked, because McCarthy extended government funding to prevent a shutdown against Gaetz's wishes, so Gaetz called for the vote to remove McCarthy and they did.

Nobody on the GOP side will now get the 218 votes without Gaetz et al, and if anything Gaetz is now emboldened by the power they wield in voting for the next Speaker they can demand whatever they want.

briany · 04-10-2023 12:40PM

They're never going to be able elect a speaker with the house being that evenly divided and the wing nuts holding the balance of power. It's a similar situation to Brexit and why it took so long to make any decisive moves there. The solution with Brexit, in the end, was a last minute compromise followed by fresh elections. The US may have to do similar, but right now it's just another poison flower blossoming from the tree the Republican party planted.

Quin_Dub · 04-10-2023 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192853#Comment_121192853

No matter who from the GOP puts their name forward , there will ALWAYS be at least 6 members from any of the 101 different GOP factions that won't vote for them.

This could go on pretty much indefinitely.

amandstu · 04-10-2023 01:15PM

Can ,in theory the GOP just withdraw the whip (or expel) those few members if the process drags on long enough?

They have the majority in the party.

They would be conceding the next election and Trump would likely run as an independent.

Seems ridiculously improbable but that would be par for the course.

duploelabs · 04-10-2023 01:25PM

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Or domestically, when an area from an independent td in government coalition gets a brand new hospital (Michael cough Lowrey)

duploelabs · 04-10-2023 01:44PM

First to the table gets the best deal

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/georgia-election-interference-plea-deal-talks/index.html

Quin_Dub · 04-10-2023 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121193159#Comment_121193159

They can't expel them for not voting along party lines and removing the whip doesn't bar them from voting - It's a House vote , not a caucus one.

They could still expel Gaetz on foot of the ongoing Ethics committee investigation regarding underage sex trafficking , but even if he was truly guilty there (he probably is , he's scum) it will look to the MAGA's like revenge for removing McCarthy.

That could either scare the rest of the MAGAs into compliance or it could send them utterly off the deep-end - Who knows..

amandstu · 04-10-2023 02:22PM

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Immediately after the vote ,I heard a Democrat was quipping that the GOP could now start its civil war.

Is that likely (that this will split the party and bring about a new de facto majority in Congress)?

Overheal · 04-10-2023 02:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121192240#Comment_121192240

If McCarthy is turning around now and crying about democrats that’s rich, he declared he wouldn’t seek their support:

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/kevin-mccarthy-rules-out-alliance-with-dems-to-fend-off-matt-gaetz-you-dont-surrender-as-the-majority/

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/video-of-mccarthy-belitting-democrats-was-played-for-house-dems-before-vote-on-speakers-fate/

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/aoc-tears-into-kevin-mccarthy-for-blaming-democrats-for-demise-expected-dem-votes-for-free/

kowloon · 04-10-2023 02:55PM

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I do remember getting a gaming laptop some years ago and the same board/cpu/gpu and ram options in a regular case cost more when they shafted you on the cost of upgrades so you could forgive her that if you're being very charitable. But switch off the lights ffs!

Overheal · 04-10-2023 03:37PM

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I remember working laptop sales. ROG only flew off shelves because of what else was on offer was **** tbh. Giant f'ers with giant asses, 3 times the weight of other laptops, ran hot as a motherfucker too.

She's a 6-figure lawyer, she definitely doesn't do anything professionally requiring that much CPU or GPU. The question is not is she a gamer, it's what she plays when she's not filing the forms for jury trials. I'm guessing something escapist and ironically lightweight like Stardew Valley. Or the Sims.

VinLieger · 04-10-2023 03:39PM

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Ill bet money its the Sims

Overheal · 04-10-2023 03:49PM

As for Speaker Trump not a chance in hell. And even if somehow on some planet or even dumber timeline he got the votes, (I'm often despondent at how dumb the timeline actually is; take solace in how much stupider it can get), the sheer insanity would result in a Blue Wave November as independents and traditional conservatives rush across the aisle to preserve the democratic republic.

Leroy42 · 04-10-2023 03:56PM

Trump would never do it. All this is is MAGA making the line that he would love to, for the sake of America, but the Dems, or the Elites, or Pelosi, or the Clintons, or the trials he has to sit through, etc etc mean he can't.

He would love to and would do a great job of course. Because the one thing that Trump proved when he was POTUS was how to get deals done!

ArmaniJeanss · 04-10-2023 04:01PM

I'm a bit ignorant on why Speaker is so important.

Like I know its 3rd in line to the Presidency, but this is somewhat illusory as there's no realistic chance of the speaker ascending to the presidency. i.e., if Joe Biden died today, as I understand it an hour later President Harris would have selected her VP, and the speaker would still be third.

So what is it about the role that causes such a fuss? Is it a recent thing - looking at the list of speakers I genuinely couldn't tell you one factoid about say John Boehner who was speaker for 4 years of the Obama presidency. So why has it become so crucial that people are fighting over it? Lots of questions, sorry.

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