General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Sheff United had a goal not given when the ball crossed the line. Pretty much confirmed their relegation.

The arsenal one is worse for me. That was a var blatantly not following the rules. This is a miscommunication if what they have said so far is true.

The ref thought the goal was given so did a quick check and confirmed it was onside so check over. That's a human error and whole bad is understandable.

They need to review the process because they fecked up the process here. The assistant var does essentially nothing, and when they realised their mistake they couldn't intervene.

It just seems a completely over the top reaction from Liverpool. Talking about the integrity of the sport when they've not care before. Obviously that type of over the top response will bring out rival fans.

And it's a shame they issued that statement as Klop was brilliant in his interview, raised his point well, made it clear it wasn't acceptable but stayed calm while doing so.

Definitely need different people in the VAR room as it's a different skillset. The assumption that the best on-field referees would also be the VAR referees was always flawed thinking. Akin to Argentina sending Messi to be their player in an e-sports soccer contest.

Someone who can instinctively work out the best of 20 available angles to spot a potential handball, or notice an incident in the build-up to a goal may be a terrible on-field referee (fitness, lack of control over players maybe) but a brilliant VAR.

Well said.

And I didnt realise you have be certain amount away before could discuss decision.

Offside is offside surely be it a metre or a centimetre.

Both were wrong calls.

Fair play. I do hope the rest of the season isn’t marred by stupid VAR decisions

Something we can both agree on. 😉

Arsenal did do it last year, and their fans made a song and dance about it online, but were shouted down by other fans.

Liverpool are very late coming to the VAR isn't working table.

People here are being deliberately obtuse in pretending not to recognise the difference between

"Offside" not matter how tight the decision is and the lines being drawn correctly e.g. Garnacho (Man Utd. vs Arsenal) and

"Blatantly onside" where no matter what lines you draw, no offence has been committed. and the VAR decision must reflect this.

The reason people are mentioning the term "conspiracy" is that there doesn't seem to be any logical reason as to why this goal was not allowed.

Gary Neville said that he heard the comment "check over" but no one knows what was being checked because the VAR decision didn't go up on screen.

At half time, Liverpool has been made aware that there had been a f**k up.

I'm surprised that Spurs fans are weighing in so defensively, as Tottenham didn't actually do anything wrong. It would have been a very different game had the goal stood, but I think after how Spurs twice came from behind against Arsenal, they can feel that they would have done the same here. I don't think its a fight they need to get involved in. They, along with everyone, should be more interested in having VAR fixed.

What club does?

Are people seriously suggesting their club should come out and say sorry about that lads, if they the benefit from a VAR error? Should Spurs have given us the goal at half time, when everybody copped something went badly wrong?

Why would they? The error has got nothing to do with them.

I might have a little smile to myself the next time Spurs are on the wrong side of a VAR decision, but that's just tribalism and being a fan. It's still stupid, irrelevant and illogical. The offside call has nothing to do with Spurs.

Next we'll be expecting Klopp to apologise and award the goal himself to Brighton, if the same thing happens in the next game against them.

The other thing is; when the ref is asked to come over and look at the screen, start the footage at the beginning, without slow motion Then do the slow mos if needs be.

Showing a still like they did yesterday is leading the referee to change the decision. By starting with that still, they are basically saying, look at how that tackle ended up. You better change your decision.

They did in their holes and you can be absolutely sure that if it was United or City on the receiving end of that decision at the weekend the majority of the lads crowing in here about the injustice would be laughing their arses off over it.

The Premier League rejected the automated offside decisions that the World Cup etc had, for this season iirc. They don't help themselves when it comes to VAR.

I don’t think one spurs has said it wasn’t a goal. We all know it was but liverpools reaction and their statement and subsequent large portions of fans (a few here but not many) demanding a replay is what’s getting everyone annoyed. The game is over Spurs won, end of.

now if Liverpool want to go on a crusade of transparency and reform we are all supportive. But if they are trying to change the result of the match, it’s pretty embarrassing.

Well what escalation and resolution are they looking for?

Leave the match and result out of it and go on the crusade. Can’t do both.

Did I read Liverpool already voted not to have artificial intelligence VAR?

But I wholeheartedly agree with any club that’s looking for actual reform. We have had our ups and downs with VAR but it evens out. But that’s not right either.

Two posts by reliable Liverpool journalists.