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The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    In last election I voted for a SF guy who was working hard in the local area, but after the clowns like yourself and other SF supporters complaining about an Irish song being sang at rugby national game for enjoyment by a stadium full of people having a good time, and having sang the same song in the aviva at a Munster game with the kids at half time to get the fans behind the team. There is one thing for certain no SF vote in this household next election and a lot more Irish fans will do the same, now have to go and get west Brit put on my Munster jersey. Seen this is what shinners think all rugby supporters are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's a song about the troubles. It was probably always going be an issue for the 32 county team.

    From what I see there's just as much from FFG trying to make this into an anti SF issue and ruin singing it at matches.

    If you're not out to hurt anyone I'd say sing away. Anything after that is your own business.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Mara Quaint Washbowl


    "without violence forcing them to do so"

    Only in your dreams I think. From the top down: the 1973 NI Constitution Act, the 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement, the 1993 Downing Street Declaration and finally the 1998 Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.

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    As can be clearly seen, the core British position remained essentially the same over 25 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    This is the biggest climbdown since Armstrong set foot on the moon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    It is certainly not an issue for an inclusive 32 county team. It is only an issue for those who may be opposed to such inclusivity.

    The more i look at it, the more i think this whole targeting of the song was a planned and coordinated attack by certain elements which has spectacularly backfired.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,761 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's definitely weird that a song promoting peace and with an anti-war message could be seen as 'controversial'. Most people worldwide don't even listen to the lyrics and think it's just a great grunge style rock anthem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If that's what you want to call it and it stops your phoney outrage great 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Once it moved from being a Munster song there was always scope for the outrage merchants.

    It's a song about an atrocity committed by one side.

    There's plenty now trying to politicize it from both sides.

    Maybe just let people enjoy the sport and give over about your 'coordinated attack by certain elements'?

    People want a singalong at a match without that shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    “The Miami Showband massacre was an attempt by the British Army and the UVF to kill all the members of the popular Irish showband by placing a bomb inside their van.”


    There’s one example. Colour you shocked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'm sure there's a million threads on twitter calling all sorts of songs offensive.

    I'm sure there's a million comments having a go at rugby fans.

    I'm sure there's a million terrible things said about the troubles.

    Have fun figuring them all out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I have to 100% agree with the first sentence here. They IRA did not act in the name of all Irish people on the island of Ireland.

    Most Irish people in the south stuck their fingers in their ears and whistled Dixie whilst Irish people in the North were murdered, burnt out of their homes and treated like blacks under the Jim Crow laws. They just didn’t care about them. Easier to turn a blind eye than risk having to do anything to help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    5.3m - 1.2m means 4.1m couldn’t care less. Not sure where you learnt maths. But 4.1m is most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Thomas James Clarke

    Born on the Isle of Wight in 1857, Clarke’s father was a soldier in the British army. During his time in America as a young man, he joined Clann na nGael, later enduring fifteen years of penal servitude for his role in a bombing campaign in London, 1883-1898.


    The first bombs of the Dynamite War were planted in London in October, causing explosions on the London Underground near Praed Street (now Paddington) and Charing Cross stations. Over 70 people were injured. In February 1884 a small explosion in the cloakroom of Victoria Station in London injured seven people and several unexploded devices were discovered at Charing Cross, Paddington and Ludgate Hill stations. In May bombs were thrown into two London clubs, there was a failed attack on Scotland Yard and dynamite was discovered at the base of Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square. In December 1884 Lomasney was killed when the bomb he planted at London Bridge exploded prematurely. With the exception of the attack on Scotland Yard (which housed the Special Irish Branch, established in 1884 to investigate the dynamiters), it could hardly be claimed that the targets were either military or political. The dynamite war targets included train and Underground stations – public spaces where the death or injury of civilians was extremely likely – and would today be described as terrorist in nature. It is difficult to argue that, assuming the bombs exploded, the dynamite war would not result in significant civilian casualties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭crusd


    The only people trying to politicise it are those trying to shoehorn a meaning to the singing of a song that does not exist, and also trying to suggest that the song when written the first place was taking "sides" when in fact it was anti all violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    How many people do you think are aware of the interviews Dolores gave about the song after it's release, explaining that while it was written in reaction to Warrington, for her it represented a wider anti-violence message, while understanding and accepting that nuanced distinction?

    And that's only trying to understand the intentions behind the song, it's a powerful, angry, confrontational song (and great for it) of course it could be used to portray all sorts of messages.

    40,000 people were singing it for a singalong at a rugby match ffs.

    Maybe you genuinely do think everyone must have attached the same singular meaning and understanding to it as yourself, if you're not just trying to be outraged that is.

    Meanwhile, most people just don't want these politics coming into sports.

    It lessens it for everyone if they are, can you not see that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Alpac


    Yikes how dense do you have to be? you realise there's about 1.2 million children. another 1 million pensioners, many of whom probably aren't mad rugby fans. so thats already eaten into you're simple analysis

    To put the figures into perspective, the All-Ireland Gaelic Football final - typically the country's biggest sporting event of the year - drew an average audience of 971,000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Thats still 1.9m. Again, most. Maths not a strong point? And pensioners just lose interest in sports?? Haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭crusd


    What are you blathering on about? The only people pulling politics into the singing of this song at a sporting are those insisting that it is being done to send some sort of political message. And those trying to validate that opinion as being anything other than disingenuous nonsense.

    People have the right to express all sorts of opinions. That right however does not make that opinion immune from ridicule when its based on nonsense. Your view seems to be that because a few idiots have tried to make this a political issue, it is now a political issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Talking about your right to ridicule people's opinions is hardly the language of inclusivity is it?

    F**k the outrage merchants, enjoy the sport. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    This is not a 32 county team, this is the Irish rugby team representing the four proud provinces of Ireland and bringing get joy to peoples lives and creating sporting moments like last Saturday, only Sf supporters would see as anything else and try use it to gain brownie points, and has clearly backfired and won’t help in the next election.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,760 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Phase 1 of operation shutdown has begun.

    Just randomly start to accuse every poster of being 'outraged'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nope, that wasn't the British Army, it was UDR members gone rogue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,934 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Hang on, are you not one of the “outrage merchants”, yourself?

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It certainly looks that way with some people still spluttering in trying to explain who other than child murderers and their supporters could be offended by the song.

    Look, if there is a person who is low enough to support the Warrington bombings, why should anyone care if they are offended?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    As far as I can make out Megaman is not offended by the singing of the song himself but is offended on behalf of nameless others who may be offended by the singing of the song. Have I got this right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Correct, and when it is pointed out to him that the only possible nameless others that could be offended are child murderers and their supporters, and is asked why should anyone care, he spontaneously combusts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭TokTik


    British Ministry of Defence documents released in 2020 contain suggestions that British Army officer and member of 14th Intelligence Company, Captain Robert Nairac acquired equipment and uniforms for the Miami Showband killers, and that he was responsible for the planning and execution of the attack itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Robert Nairac, I wonder what became of him?

    BTW have you a link to these documents?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Cambridge University, thanks for asking.

    I would add, 1.4M watched including the player (1.6M peak) and also this doesn't include the people who watched on ITV instead. A 73% audience share is huge.

    It was one of the most watched events in Irish history. By your definition most people care about literally nothing. If that is your contention fine, but I would suggest its a silly one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i never complained about the song, i couldn't care a less about the whole thing.

    i'm just here to counteract those who are complaining about a couple of irrelevant individuals on twitter, said twitter individuals probably being 2 or 3 people with multiple accounts.

    the same people complaining about those irrelevant twitter individuals, are making a huge deal over the song, because they are unhappy that those singing it weren't singing it to push a political agenda.

    sf will be our next government or the one after it, and will be our first 32 county government in over 100 years, and it will be a great day.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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