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The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Zombie is not politics, it is just anti-violence. The bombing of children was not in our name.

    Politics was always part of sport, remember the boycotting of the Moscow Olympics in about 1980? The fuss about South Africa? Irish fans using using the tricolour and singing the soldiers song at matches in Dublin, even though some of the players were born in and reside in and always paid their taxes in another jurisdiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    I actually like that song (just can't get enough) as an easy sing-a- long, catchy crowd pleaser ( easy to put one's own lyrics to). I also liked "ZOMBIE" being belted out/crowd reaction after last weekends match too.

    There is an awful lot of subjectivity involved ,with music.

    For me the tune of "Just Can't Get Enough" is upbeat and workable for any crowd. I think Celtic have manged to get ownership of that. "Penny Arcade" , Rangers have got hold of that one, another banging tune, and "Norn Ireland" managed to bag "SWEET CAROLINE" ( was feckin' envious of that, another banger of a tune), but I think England-the sporting world have hijacked that.

    I wouldn't mind if "Sweet Caroline" was played after an Irish rugby victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am still stunned that people are claiming to be offended by this song.

    Next thing you'll tell me that we shouldn't be singing the Spandau Ballet song because some people believe Catholics shouldn't marry Protestants and they might be offended.

    What about "The Island". It is as anti-war as Zombie. Should that also be banned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I keep telling you I'm not offended by the song, I like it.

    I'm not trying to censor it in anyway.

    If people want to sing it as a singalong at a match, great.

    It's these lame attempts to bring a political agenda into sport that nobody wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    "Come On England", I think, was a hit for the 2010 world cup. Considering the fiddle/ banjo / Celtic resonance of it all- it may be a tune we missed playing around with. Definitely a crowd pleaser of a tune!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Yawn. Nobodies buying this b***x.

    What are you suggesting? We turn the rugby world cup into a campaign to inform about the troubles?

    Quite frankly you can shove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Whatever you do, do not go to Youtube to check out 'Come on England'.

    It's horrendous.

    They've tried to make it dancey and big beat.

    I think we should keep it as it is, maybe the fans could sing Ireland instead of Eileen, but otherwise keep the song as it is.

    If it's not picked up by the rugby fans, Mayo should keep it in their pocket, what with the Kevin Rowland connection.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Mara Quaint Washbowl


    They'll find (if they get into government) how limited their room for maneuver actually is if they intend to stray far from the road that is economic orthodoxy. An attempted repeat of "Labour's Way or Frankfurt's Way" won't last long if the yields on Irish government bonds head into orbit as a consequence. Just ask Liz Truss.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Hard to belief the government really see Sinn Fein as an existentialist threat to the state....

    When they put Eoghan Murphy (remember him) and Darragh O'Brien in charge of housing.

    It's been obvious for a long time that's the biggest swing factor for voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Well i wasn't expecting that anyway, we're sorted so, no one objects to the song. Thanks for admitting that btw.

    As for politicising it, the only people you can blame for that are Hickey and his ilk, there wouldn't have been any semblance of controversy otherwise. And like Celtic Symphony, i doubt it's going to make a blind bit of difference who people vote for anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Pretty sure some people object to the song.

    Why don't you deal with that, of itself, or just ignore it, instead of trying so tiresomely to bring your own agenda?

    Would it be so awful to just say, 'I don't think it's partitionist' and that be it?

    I mean, if you're only out for a singalong anyway, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Calculus


    Anyone objecting to the song doesn’t have a clue what the purpose of the song is.

    Also, anyone singing it at the end of a match aren’t doing so with any political motive behind it.

    The SDLP were significantly more popular than Sinn Fein around the time of this song’s release. For anyone to claim this song is ‘partitionist’ is only assuming that nationalists would be offended and don’t actually realise that the Warrington bomb was absolutely not carried out in the name of Northern Irish nationalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You don't object to the song so you must think it isn't partitionist. I haven't seen anyone else object to the song other than a few fringe Twitter accounts. It looks more and more that my original call that the only people who could be offended by it are child murderers and those who support them.

    Unless of course, you can point to some outraged group, maybe the Child Murderers Support Group or some suchlike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I've no idea what you or @Calculus are on about, other than it's yet another tiresome attempt to bring your own agenda to the sport.

    Tell you what, if it's only a few fringe Twitter accounts objecting to this song, why don't you jog on over there and take it up with them?

    No one wants the rugby world cup turning into a history lecture on the troubles, from one side or the other.

    Hopefully it's not too late to avoid that, but you lot really need to stfu if that's to happen.

    Sorry if that's trying to 'censor' you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Calculus


    Who wants to bring an agenda into anything?

    Its a group of sports fans singing a song at the top of their lungs because it’s a good song and they know all the words.

    Anyone trying to make it out to be anything more than that need to give their heads a wobble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    What are you telling me for?

    You're the one on about the popularity of the SDLP at the time of the songs release???

    Like I said, no one wants a history lesson on the troubles, if they're only out for a singalong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Jeez i was trying to be nice to you, but anyway.

    It was you who was objecting to the song throughout the thread for political reasons, it was you who was trying so tiresomely to bring your own agenda.

    Why didn't you just say 'i don't think it's partitionist' to begin with, instead of arguing in favour of those who claimed it was for page after page?

    My only agenda is an objection to any attempt to censor a bloody song. If you search you'll see i have the same opinion on Celtic Symphony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I've never objected to the song for political reasons.

    I object to it being used for political reasons, at a rugby match.

    You can run up and down every street in Belfast, or any other part of the country that's away from me, singing it after that for all I care.

    Tell them all what you think about Celtic Symphony too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You're all over the place now.

    People objected to the song for political reasons, and you supported them for political reasons, while those who were singing the song were never singing it for political reasons. People may now sing the song in defiance of those who objected for political reasons, purely due to them objecting in the first place.

    Anyway i'm off to watch some rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    I object to it being used for political reasons, at a rugby match.

    Look, I've only been lurking in this thread, but the only people using this song for political reasons are those objecting to it. No one, no one else considered it a political statement, just a few cranks online after the fact. It's a great song, the crowd were amazing singing it, and there a small number of people online who want to be argumentative for the sake of it. Utter nonsense altogether. You don't like it that's fine, but the rubbish about how a 5 minute song doesn't address all the nuances of the troubles or shows a partitionist mindset in the south is utter garbage from people trying to generate outrage for the sake of it from a genuinely great all island sporting achievement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    If anyone is looking for a great cover of Zombie check out Daria Stavrovich on YouTube from The Voice Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't think people were singing it at the match for political reasons.

    But I think people have been trying to turn it into a political thing at games.

    I think you've picked me up wrong, but I'm adamant that it not be politicized.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Calculus


    Yes, in rebuttal at those who try to claim it is ‘partitionist’.

    It’s called using facts to dispel a myth.

    I’m pretty sure we are in agreement here. Nobody singing it on Saturday was doing so with any political motive. They were delira and excira and just singing along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Sorry my bad.

    There's been a lot of trying to drag this out.

    I made to the mistake of engaging with it for a bit.

    I'm taking a more blunt approach now.

    Apologies that it got misdirected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    any act implemented to uphold the sectarian state, under that sectarian state, was implemented on the basis of gerrymandering.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    you are incorrect.

    sectarian sunningdale did not deliver anything that was required to modernise northern ireland, of which only the good friday agreement was the only act to deliver such modernisation.

    sectarian sunningdale was capitulation to beligerent unionism, at the expence of the majority, both catholic, nationalist and moderate unionist.

    there was every justification for the PIRA campaign as britain was never going to deliver equality and human rights for the catholic and nationalist communities of northern ireland without violence forcing them to do so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You're the only one who's been dragging it out, clearly you've now been told by someone to stop.

    It's so obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    No, even though I'm not offended by this song, and like it, I can see how somebody genuinely might be.

    But so far, I don't think anyone here wants to consider anything like that. In fairness there's an awful lot of pushing agendas, so maybe a lot of understandable wariness too.

    Most of the people here are just singing a great song at a match. They're not out to hurt anyone and I can respect that.



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  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Laylah Flat Wharf


    Jesus people love a good moan nowadays. (The irony of my post is not lost on me).

    Great tune.



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