Is the UK now giving off strong Third World vibes?

Well I guess the influx of Indians and Pakistanis was the trigger to stop it fairly rapidly.

When I went to school the only significant migration was Italians and Poles who's parents must have fled WW2.

We must have been more intelligent as a race then because there was no hate or bigotry at all.

Schoolchildren reflect what goes on in their house, they don't see the need to hide racism like adults :-)

The Indians and Pakistanis were about twenty years after, That caused a problem for the hard of thinking and British passports were not dished out like sweeties any more.

They would have arrived when air travel became cheap. Passenger air travel to London started in 1947 with propeller driven aircraft, so the route was established and the flood gates opened with jet aircraft.

The Pakistani community was what swung a lot of people toward Brexit in Stoke. The poor muppets wanted them sent home along with the East Europeans.

Racism is not the domain of those with functioning brain cells :-(

You are obviously not a racist, but floodgates is the sort of thing they say. Wikipedia does not support the contention that the floodgates opened with jet travel. The population is large enough to absorb those numbers, just as they did with Irish people.

"How many immigrants settled in the UK every year in the 1970s?

In the 1970s, an average of 72,000 immigrants were settling in the UK every year from the Commonwealth; this decreased in the 1980s and early-1990s to around 54,000 per year, only to rise again to around 97,000 by 1999. The total number of Commonwealth immigrants since 1962 is estimated at 2,500,000."

"Between 1951 and 1961 over 500,000 Irish migrants came to Britain, whereas approximately 90,000 went to the United States in same period."

unsure what thread this best fits in but its hilarious. UK air traffic control and o'leary honest as ever

Have you been around Manchester and Liverpool?

Some of the material poverty I saw there I hadn't seen in Ireland since I worked beside slums around sheriff street in the 80s.

Leveling up is a slogan.

That's what I was thinking, but then I thought hang about... maybe be meant the US instead of the UK? Give it a few years and Trump-election and I can see a lot of the happening. Ok, maybe no the last one and the coups might not be military based, but....

Even Chorlton was shabby and bad for theft/burglary etc.. anyone with money **** off to Wilmslow. I think Roy Keane lived out in Knutsford.

When I first saw Salford I assumed they were still clearing rubble from the blitz, but now, it was all from the 60/70s slum clearances.

I said it already in this thread but it wasn't until I was standing on the main street in Rochdale overwhelmed by decay and economic decline that I finally understood why someone would be taken in with the hopium of brexit.

I found the class war to be an english variation of tribalism. It's mad that something like 70% of MPs went to Cambridge or Oxford (collectively called Oxbridge) yet less than 1% of population did.

I think England is stuck in a mediaeval ruler and ruled society, and they keep voting for it.

Plus first past the post voting is not representative democracy. It's nuts that Cameron's parliament majority only needed 38% of those that voted.

Any time I've been to Manchester and Liverpool, you could tell they are very much working class cities - just by the way people were dressed, the accents etc. You wouldn't think for a moment you were in an affluent city.

I don't care what other countries do. In the UK most of the media is Tory controlled, companies that benefit directly contribute to the Tories even though the decisions go against the welfare of the population. Tate and Lyle being a recent example.

What about the sleaze surrounding the duff PPE and even the bribes that were passed on to the DUP to bring a Brexit that worked against the interests of the population.

Lobby groups are rife in Westminster, democracy isn't at the service of the highest bidder anywhere else but the US.

Of course like the US Republicans, Britain has now prevented voters that are unlikely to vote Tory from having their vote. This has been reported on by the UK's own electoral commission.

I fail to see why a lack of democracy is somehow justified because you believe other countries systems are worse.

As for the house of Lords, are you not aware that that bastion of honesty courage and competence, the PM of dead in a ditch fame that finally was ousted through his lies sold a knighthood. Try a Google of Evgeny Lebedev and sleaze.

The current practice is to fill the Lords with Tories if you care to investigate, a bit like Trumps attempts to get republican judges to office in the states,

A long time ago things were better, more honest and more democratic in the UK. You cannot have democracy with a government that lies and witholds the truth.

The decision makers such as cummings and Frost are still waiting to be elected as MP's I believe. A tad late for the "democratic" decisions they made, but better late :-)

I showed a clip of hurling to someone in Manchester and they replied that it's a toffs game because it looked like hockey.

I went to the Irish centre in Cheetham Hill to catch an all Ireland once, they advertised that theyd be showing it in the main bar.

The bar was full yet their big screen was showing the premiership. None of the english staff could figure out how to get the hurling up on it.

Instead the entire lounge of county jersey wearing fans turned towards a few wall TVs showing the final and no one watching the soccer on the big screen that dominated the lounge.

A older Irish gent who went to England in the 60s said Irish people stopped coming in the 90s, so now the second generations weren't being replenished with Irish influence so they just didn't appreciate why people were wanting to watch hurling rather than their premiership.