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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    That's a bit nasty, not everyone is in a position to tie up the guts of 1000 euro with college starting and Christmas looming very quickly on families. Seems ironic you chose the prepay model as a comparison considering Pinergy make their money from that type of energy, and boy do they make it hand over fist😡. I'm surprised at your high horse attitude tbh, not nice, not nice at all...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    So just to be clear, our hypthetical customer has the financial resources to buy an expensive EV and afford solar panels and a big battery (since the Pinergy plan only makes sense then), but doesn't have the money to pay €300 a month on electricity for 3 months, even though they were likely paying that already, and they then get the payments back as credit

    I can see one or two flaws in the logic here 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭snor


    Regardless of affording it or not, it’s a crazy, unnecessary and antiquated billing system considering all the data that is now available to them with smart meters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Oh I agree, I assume that part of the reason is that Pinergy doesn't have the cash available to survive a bunch of customers going into arrears

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    With their prices I'd say they've the majority of the customers in arrears.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,113 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Non-paying customers that are very difficult to even get rid of, never mind them paying what they owe you. That's the very reason why we in Ireland pay twice as much for our mortgage as other countries in the EU do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Not difficult at all, they just leave them with no power. Obviously you've never had a difficult day in your life and it's always the lower classes fault that xy or z is expensive in Ireland...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,113 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Oh believe me, I've been poor. That's one of the reasons why it really pains me to see poor people make bad / irrational decisions that will make them even poorer. Like those pre-pay meters

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I'm getting a bit tired of everyone online just presuming everyone is poor.

    Going off topic here...

    When someone has a €400 electricity bill in the Summer, even though my own bill is only €80-100 with an EV, people online say "the country can't take much more of this". Well maybe the country should cut consumption instead of using €600 credit to carry on with their typical consumption...

    I've also seen far too many people complaining about €300-400 electric bills. What, people didn't shop around? People are really cutting consumption and turning down the brightness on their TV? It's hardly everyone else's fault the average person in this country is bad with money and bills.

    Now that petrol/diesel is back up to €1.89/L people are complaining they can't take much more of this. Of what? I was paying a similar amount of petrol before the Ukraine war. Remember when petrol was almost €2.10 last year and people stopped driving because they needed to save money and their coffee run wasn't essential? Nobody wants to be held accountable for their own spending.

    There's a good chance those with EVs are in a good financial position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Well my unit rate jumping from 16c per unit to 39.5c with BG has a lot to do with it. I shop around every year I broke my BG contract to get the Flogas BWG deal of 29.99c, in fairness to BG they didn't skull me with the fifty. It's a bit disingenuous to come on here telling people to tighten their belts when the unit rates have more than doubled and of course they added sneaky extras to the standing charges too. With wages relatively static, believe it or not for people in the real world the reality is that they are poorer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Let's go further off topic... 😜

    I certainly have an issue with anyone here who has bought a new EV, probably costing €40k or more, suddenly claiming to be "poor"

    We've all been affected to some degree by inflation, but there's a difference between having less disposable income than 2 years ago and being in poverty

    I do however agree with the supports that the Irish government has been providing. The population has been affected by significant external events beyond their control over the last few years, and I think the government was correct to try and shield the most at risk sections if the population

    It isn't like we all suddenly tripled our electricity or fuel consumption, the prices are being driven by artificial supply constraints

    I don't think the energy credits were the best way to do it, but hindsight is 20-20 and in the context that a more surgical process would have dragged on for too long and caused more people to fall into arrears, then the decision made sense

    I definitely agree it's very frustrating when people refuse to shop around for different energy suppliers and then complain about their bills. It isn't like this is a new thing, suppliers have been doing the same thing for 20 or more years

    It's like people insisting on shopping in Dunnes or Super Value and buying the branded products which cost 3 times as much when the supermarket own brand is just as good. Why pay more when you aren't getting a noticeable difference in quality?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Not aimed at you by the way, just happy to see your skepticism over anyone who might not want to pay something upfront. Most of us have no issue with a cost like that.

    I just see too many people online saying "we can't take much more of this" as if the entire country is in tatters when the economy is doing pretty well and those of us that are smart are continuously shopping around for better electricity, not paying out of contract broadband prices, not buying branded rip off foods in the shopping etc. Just being smart with money so we have a chance to enjoy it elsewhere...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    I wouldn't call giving Pinergy a thousand euro to sit in their bank account enjoying my money elsewhere. How can you possibly say the economy is doing well? You definitely are living in an alternate reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Apparently you're the one living in an alternate reality because every economic indicator says the economy is doing well

    The issue facing the country isn't a recession, it's inflation, a housing crisis and wage stagnation in some sectors.

    Coupled with very low unemployment this means that some job sectors are being hollowed out in favour of others, and we can't just import skilled workers because there's nowhere they can afford to live

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nailed it. Imagine how well the country could be doing and the quality of life and infrastructure with the income we have if there were less consultants and spin doctors and more solid long and mid term planning and tight financial decisions on spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    What you mean put all those consulting firms out of business? Whatever would they do? 😂

    To be clear, I'm not making light of the genuine challenges faced by a lot of people in this country who are effectively being shut out of society because they can't afford the price of admission

    But...it really irks me when owners of expensive EVs come here moaning about electricity prices under the guise that they're defending the less fortunate in society

    Just be honest about what it is, your cheap to run motor isn't as cheap to run anymore. It's okay to be annoyed at that fact, it's frustrating when you have to pay more for the same thing.

    It's particularly annoying when it's because the critical inputs got more expensive and not, for example, because ESBN started paying their workers more to combat the cost of living increases

    And to be fair to @CoBo55 requiring customers to pay almost €1000 up front because of "billing issues" is dumb

    Again, just be honest and call it what it is, it's a deposit to insure against customers going into arrears. Don't try to obfuscate it and treat customers like idiots

    Personally I'm glad others found out about it before me. If it works for them, all well and good, but for me the plan doesn't seem worthwhile

    In other news, I really need another coffee. Sleep and caffeine deprivation are making me grouchy 😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭fafy


    Just on level pay, which seems to be what Pinergy are offering.

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    i was with Brod Gais a few years back, and signed up to level pay. They charged about 25 % more, than what i actually used. I assumed, this would reduce downwards overtime, it didn’t, i was about €150 in credit after about 5 months, and i asked for the monthly amount, to be reduced, they refused. A few months later i was more than €300 in credit, which would have risen to more than €500 as summer approached, and it was April, so i called again, and they refused, allthough i was more than 12 months with them at that stage, and i explained, clearly, the level pay monthly amount, was in excess, of what i was using on average, across 12 months, i left, them, and they sent me a cheque for the overpayment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,334 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    That's interesting, I must admit I've had a totally different experience with all the suppliers I've been with (Energia, BG and Flogas).

    It was just a case of calling up, asking to adjust the level pay and that was that

    BG I remember were a bit more reluctant, but that was more the rep saying that if I underestimated it then I'd be paying for the excess when the bill came out

    Edit: Probably worth mentioning I don't have a smart meter yet, perhaps having more updated data makes the supplier reluctant to change the monthly payment, although you'd think the opposite would be true in that case

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    Any chance we could drop the back and forth over wealth levels and go back to discussing what the best plan on the market is currently?


    Im finishing up my Energia EV day night fixed rate plan and the alternatives seem pretty poor given what I was on. I have no issue changing my meter if it means a better deal but I don’t really see anything compelling on smart meter plans either. I don’t have solar or a better so I don’t think the pinergy plan is a good fit for me. I am averaging 58% night time usage over the last year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭fafy


    I’ve been looking also, i don’t have PV either. and have a day/night meter, with 53 % night usage. Energia told me up to 5 months to get the meter changed, so without a meter change, i can’t avail of either the Energia EV Smart tariff with cheap night rate,or the Pinergy EV low night 5cent rate.

    The only 2 d/n plans, i could see that were anyway reasonable:

    SSE airtricity who have a 12 % reduction from November seems to be one of the better ones for d/n people, there is also 20 % discount for new signups, they also said they were announcing a fixed tariff by September 30th, but no sign of it yet.

    Bord Gais also have a reasonably similar d/n plan, and they are reducing both standing charge and pricing by 15.50 % in November, and there is a 15% signup discount in addition to that price cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,349 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    I've always refused level pay, then again I have a good reputation in regards to paying my bills on time.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have you asked Energia about a new competitive D/N plan? I'm wondering is there room to negotiate a decent rate. I'll be in the same boat in a few months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭fafy


    They offered me 15% retention and won’t budge, a few eamils and ohone calls later. which is not great, and its a bit more expensive than at least 2 other suppliers based on my usage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Snopake


    Yeah same deal for me, 15% discount which means I will be paying pretty much double on nightrate than for the last year. So far though it seems to be the best offer I can find



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    Whats the bottom line figure including vat that energia are offering for their ‘new’ D/N rate ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Comer1


    It's very annoying when people keep posting meaningless discount percentages. Please post the rates.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm on 14c night rate, due to fall tomorrow to 12c I've been told. Contract up in the new year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭podge3




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