The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Possibly shared already but at least Waterford Whispers can be relied on to take the sting out of all this.

Great, and every sf voter going to a rugby match will have yourself there to preach to them and 'sicken their holes'

I can't see it happening.

My guess is the IRFU will come out with a statement along the lines of regretting the song being politicized and probably take it off any suggested song playlists.

Some fans will keep singing it to show the 'shinners' what's what, others in protest at 'cancel culture', some will keep singing it to resent the politicization of sport, more will just be confused.

The whole experience will be a lot less inclusive and enjoyable for the decent sports fan.

But as long as your equals got to preach to people who've already heard and rejected their agenda, that's all that matters, right?

Yep for all that fighting what was achieved?

Over 3000 dead - great

Delores is spot on the only ones that have anything in common with each other were the Loyalist/Unionist Zombies and the Republican ones. The warped nature of their minds meant they appreciated each other more than the place the larger entity they were supposed to feel attached to.

If a person of the 'NI Unionist/Loyalist' had written a 'Zombie' song it would be not much different only maybe the odd date here or there would change. The sentiment of Zombie is to castigate violence and just happens to written from the authors perspective, about people she viewed as indoctrinated and zombie like.

But such people who the song refers to don't like to be asked 'What's in your head?' because it forces them to self reflect. Many Northern Irish people have massive chips on their shoulder when it comes to having to self reflect. Whether that be Ulster fans blaming referees for targeting GAA teams more than non-Ulster teams etc. Ulster people are always very prickly when those from outside don't have their mindset - they get insulted very easily.

In a sporting context - I suppose the 'What's in your head?' would be more appropriate to a missed penalty or a sending off. I doubt many even know what the song was all about these days. And the refrain 'Zombie' and 'What's in your head?' are just an amusing thing to chant

Sorry that was me. I wasn't aware there was another poster with the same/similar name when I selected this one. I'll see if I can get a mod to change it if there's confusion between me and @Yeah_Right

I'm not happy about that poster imitating me. Might have to sue them or something to protect my good name 😁

Don't know why you added what you had already posted to them to the post. I've read this whole thread and as I mentioned in my post that you quoted, I've had a look at the CAIN website before. And nothing on it makes me think PIRA were the good guys. They were cowardly murderous assholes.

As I mentioned earlier, I like the song Zombie and I enjoy hearing the crowd sing it at Irish and Munster rugby matches. I think it's great. The fact it upsets harder Shinners and RA heads is just a bonus. It's like when you open a pack of bacon and find an extra rasher. Happy days! You were going to enjoy eating the bacon any way but now you have extra bacon.

You are happy there's a border, you support it so of course you don't like the efforts of the PIRA. You support the British side, that's fair enough, you can support who you like. The facts can't change because of that though, the PIRA fought the cleaner war against terror from the British state/loyalists.

It's alright. Means I can write horrible stuff and blame you 😁

The Old IRA who disappeared over 100 people weren't standing up to the Brits! That doesn't mean that they were just in their war. The same with the PIRA, the did some indefensible things but standing up to the mass murdering British armed forces wasn't one of them!

Standing up to British state forces is anything but cowardly. You do know of their history and expertise in subjecting native people to all sorts of torture? Knowing yourself and your family members would be in huge danger of being murdered or imprisoned by the British state but volunteering to defending your community anyway is seriously brave. Again, that doesn't defend all the actions of the PIRA but they're war was just and they were in the right.

Such ignorant nonsense. I'm gonna say something that'll blow your mind. You can be a nationalist i.e. support the notion of a UI without supporting SF/IRA as they were at the time. In fact, most nationalists and catholics at the time took this very position by supporting the SDLP who hammered SF/IRA electorally throughout the Troubles period until after the GFA when both camps, for want of a better term, moved to the extremes by supporting SF and the DUP thereby abandoning Hume's SDLP and the UUP. Your posts betray a frankly childish view of the situation. Good guys indeed 🙄. Binary, absolutist thinking like yours gets people nowhere except into silly arguments where anyone who doesn't hold your green good orange bad attitude is derided as batting for the other side just because they don't share your view. It's obviously far more complicated than that but those who support child murderers in the name of the cause can't abide such nuance as you've shown.

Full lyrics - Zombie

Another head hangs lowly

Child is slowly taken

And the violence caused such silence

Who are we mistaken?

[Pre-Chorus]

But you see, it's not me, it's not my family

In your head, in your head, they are fightin'

With their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns

In your head, in your head, they are cryin

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie

What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh

[Post-Chorus]

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

Du, du, du, du

[Verse 2]

Another mother's breakin'

Heart is takin' over

When the violence causes silence

We must be mistaken

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[Pre-Chorus]

It's the same old theme, since 1916

In your head, in your head, they're still fightin'

With their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns

In your head, in your head, they are dyin'

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie

What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh, eh-eh-oh, ra-ra--

--

I assume it is only this part that is sung at matches? -

[Chorus]

In your head, in your head , Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie, What's in your head, in your head?

Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie-ie, oh

[Post-Chorus]

Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du, Du, du, du, du

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I had forgotten the 'du du du' bit

Anything with a 'du du du' in it easy to chant. As simple as that meaning of song lost really. All about the chorus and the 'du du du's?'

What has any of that to do with an anti-violence song?

But there was no justification for the PIRA. Not a single poster over the last decade has ever posted a coherent argument as to how and why the PIRA campaign was justified.