The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

Nothing clear about that. We both have an opinion! Why are you so defensive?

I don't care. I think its a great (anti-war) song and should be played.

I dislike that it has been turned into a stick to beat the PIRA/Sinn Fein in though. I'm looking at you, Michael Martin.

Just on the anti-war aspect. The British Government banned the playing of Zoombie during the Iraq War. They obviously thought it was an anti-war song. I can't see the British Government banning anything that would be having a go at the PIRA!

“In March 2003, on the eve of the outbreak of Iraq War, the British Government and the Independent Television Commission issued a statement saying ITC's Programme Code would temporarily remove from broadcast songs and music videos featuring "sensitive material", including "Zombie". Numerous media groups complied with the decision to avoid "offending public feeling", along with MTV Europe. Since it violated the ITC guidelines, "Zombie" was placed on a blacklist of songs, targeting its official music video. The censorship was lifted once the war had ended.” (via sluggerotoole).

a united ireland only became an issue later in the conflict when it became clear the british were going to continue siding with beligerent unionism rather then take no sides.

they sided against nationalists, and moderate unionism, instead siding with the minority of unionism, which shows that in reality they didn't even care about the majority of unionists.

i have no issue with it at all, it's you who has the issue with it, using it and a couple of irrelevant twitter posts to engage in fo/fake outrage and to go on a rant about our next and first 32 county government.

most of the people including 99% of sinn fein voters couldn't care a less about the song being sung at all.

The most astonishing piece of revisionism I have ever seen on Irish history.

The PIRA were heroes, the same way the Old IRA were heroes. They both did some horrible things but fighting back against oppression is never something to be shamed for. Those who have were extremely brave. Remember, most likely they knew they'd end up dead or in prison but they volunteered anyway. We should be proud of how they stood up to terror from the British armed forces/loyalists, this doesn't mean that we should be proud of all their acts. They will always be heroes though.

Oh sorry! There's another poster called Yeah Right that I responded to. I'll quote what I said to them because it's very relevant to your post:

Does this link work?

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/cgi-bin/tab2.pl.

You go to databases and bibliographies, then down the page go to database of deaths, down the page go to crosstabulations, then input status summary and organisational summary.

That put the Republican total for innocents killed at 722, the PIRA killed 508. They killed 1,048 members of the British side.

1,156 innocents were killed by the British side, they killed 187 members of Republican groups.

29% of those killed by the PIRA were civilians. 77% of those killed by the British side were civilians.

That backs up my claim that the PIRA targeted active combatants for the most part while the opposite was true for the British side, they targeted innocents for the most part.

Republicans killed 60% of those killed during the troubles. Loyalist 30%, and security forces (who sometimes acted in self defence eg Loughgall) 10%.

Nobody is here defending the Loyalists or British army / RUC. None of their leaders say there was "no alternative" to UDA or UVF etc.

Over 99% of the 16,200 bombs planted during the troubles were done by Republicans. Some people here claim they were the Irish army, they were the Irish forces. They were not in our name. SF only got 1 or 2% of the vote here during the troubles.

it wasn't riddled no.

it did have some touts as i said, as did all organisations involved in the conflict, something which was to be expected.

I don't want any song censored, where are you getting this stuff from?

And as for the rest of it, you'll just keep hitting the same contradiction in your argument...

You say the song is only offensive to people who support violence.

But you also say you want to offend sf voters with it.

Again you're doing nothing for the decent fans who just want to go and enjoy the game.

this is the kind of delusional mentality that will prevent a united Ireland for another few generations at least thankfully IMO

your kind we can do with out , c ya kid

this also .

the unit in charge of finding touts had multiple touts in it ffs so they just labeled random people as rats and tortured them to death.

if that isnt a example of a psychotic group ......

Internal Security Unit - Wikipedia

cowardly scum

Bearing in mind that the Anglo Irish Agreement failed and the current GFA isn't exactly going too well (despite the PIRA having given up the arms), I'm not sure how you think that the Civil Right Movement would have achieved anything.