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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The GOP taking on Taylor Swift.

    Sweet lord, do they know what they've released?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump—despite the Justice Department and White House's divorcing itself from any involvement in his case—now claims 'the Biden Administration' charged him and now 'seeks to unconstitutionally silence' him because it is 'keenly aware that it is losing that race for 2024.'

    Just because you sought to exert pressure on your DOJ/AG (see Bill Barrs testimony about the Mueller investigation) Donny, doesn't mean everyone is at it. Just like not everyone wants to f*ck their own daughter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,103 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump Lawyers know this hasn't a hope. If they believed that there was a vast conspiracy to steal the election and now a vast conspiracy to politicising the DOJ etc to to unconstitutionally silence, why to they think if they found zero evidence of the first conspiracy are they somehow going to find evidence of the second?

    This isn't aimed at getting Trump off, it is aimed at his supporters. Just like Jan 6th was a result of Trump getting his supporters wound up as they were sure he had been robbed, Trump is doing exactly the same here. Legally he hasn't a leg to stand on, so the only alternative is to use force. Not himself obviously, as he doesn't have control of the military atm, but by winding his supporters up such that they refuse to accept the results of any law case.

    His plan is that the groundswell, and threat of violence, will mean he can run for POTUS despite his numerous charges, indictments and probable judgements, and by running he has a chance to win and by winning he has a chance to pardon himself. It is the only avenue available to him and everything he does, and says, he based on furthering that plan.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    ... so the only alternative is to use force. Not himself obviously, as he doesn't have control of the military atm...


    Surely he wouldn't even have the control of the military that he'd like to imagine even if he was president again. He can't just send the military out against the population, and other than in DC isn't the national guard under the control of individual governors?

    Whilst he could in theory go and start a foreign war as president just based on how he feels that day, any officers following his orders knowing them to be illegal wouldn't be able to use the "just following orders" defence. He couldn't send an invasion force to Ireland because he lost the course record on one of his golf courses for instance, and the military would have to refuse such orders... Unless the top brass had been MAGA'ified already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,966 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump 20 seconds after being told not to break any laws

    Untitled Image




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dang that was my old neighborhood he was in too, I lived across the street. Now there's a huge palmetto armory in that strip mall (I assume this was the gun store he was at). A big shithole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    This is why Tubberville blocking military promotions is such a bad thing MAGA will try and promote sympathetic people instead.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump and Biden are not mentally fit for another election run. It's farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    both sides nonsense. One has nearly 100 criminal charges pending and is ranting and raving about cancer-causing whale-crazing windmills. The other is 3 old years older, and sane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Fox News making it's own hilarious both-sides argument: why should Senator Menendez resign when the leading Republican nominee for President is under 91 felony counts?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    NEW YORK (AP) — Judge finds Donald Trump committed fraud with financial statements that exaggerated his wealth, value of his assets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,521 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    While I agree that both are getting too old (and I can say this with some authority), Biden seems to be fine mentally. Trump hasn't been fit mentally for around 77 years. Biden's speech isn't the best but that doesn't make him mentally unfit, the UN didn't think so anyway, the same body of people who laughed at Trump.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Bidens age isn't a problem, but lifetime appointments, or no term limits in a democracy kinda is. When you tot them up its remarkable how many senior figures in American politics from President, presidential candidate, party leaders, senators, supreme court judges are very much old by any reasonable metric.

    And ordinarily that's fine, this isn't some reductive thinking older demographics don't have any value; that's patent nonsense. But not do I think it's a healthy indicator for American politics that so many big names are septuagenarian and above. When liberal politics hinged on an old supreme court judge hanging on til Trump left office? That's not great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    For a man who is 80 years of age and appears to be physically very active and he is probably on the job 16 hours a day in one of if not the most stressful job in the world along with being president of America along with being considered the leader of the free world.

    He is doing a pretty good job.

    A few tied speeches after is nothing really it’s the work he is doing before he gives the speeches that’s the important part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,311 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think they're both too old, but you're absolutely right, in my opinion, and what I believe should be the opinion of every independent voter in the United States - if it's between Trump and Biden, and you're gonna vote, it should be Biden who gets it. Trump is way beyond anything before seen at the top level of American politics, and certainly in the office of POTUS, at least in the modern era. Maybe there was something similar to him in the days when opium was available on prescription and people settled relatively minor disputes with pistol duels, but the world has moved on. Trump and the movement which has enabled him are something that will happily contribute to or bring about the fall of Western liberal democracy, if allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While term limits are definitely something that should be looked into with regards to politics in particular, the only people who continuously bang on about Biden's age are Trumptards who are incapable of understanding that their golden idol is just a few years younger and that their constant bleating about that only makes them look ridiculous.

    Is Biden too old? He probably is. But so it Trump.

    The difference is one is currently doing a relatively decent job, the other was nothing short of a fat disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    All Trump's business licenses in New York have been revoked.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Absolutely. Trump seemed to think that he was running against George Bush Jr in the Republican primary in 2016, but I doubt that's getting much coverage in right-wing circles. There's few worse things in 2023 than a US Republican, honest to God.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,059 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    A link to the non-paywalled NYT article.

    https://archive.ph/yC88z

    A lot to come in this case. NYAG will submit a list of administrators to oversee the unwinding of LLCs and that's when the shít will truly fly. Trump will do everything possible to forestall the AG's picks and to get at least a mistrial and again seek dismissal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Looks like New York is doing a good job at draining the swamp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,966 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    At the next election Trump will be older than Biden was at the last election when the trump supporters said Biden was too old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Republicans would strongly disagree and hold the same arguments against Biden.

    Its like screaming at the TV that United are better than City.

    Of course they are...if you're a United fan.

    The likelihood is Trump will beat Biden.

    City beat United.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I can think of many things worse than a 2023 US republican.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Handling it like a champ.

    tears streaming down his face

    blood from his wherever

    This legal question is not going to jury trial because of the empirical strength of the evidence and the NY Martin Act doesn't require a finding of mens rea for the fraud charges, just proof of the fraud on the books.

    Post edited by Overheal on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,774 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Fined a bunch of his lawyers, too. Only the best people. They must've really annoyed the judge. #ETTD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The lawyers' arguments seemed to have been written by Trump himself.

    The BBC mentioned that his lawyers had argued that the loans hadn't harmed anyone and had happened a long time ago.

    My favourite though was this:

    "But Trump attorney Christopher Kise argued doing so showed that Mr Trump was an "investment genius" and "a master at finding value where others see nothing"."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,366 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sure Republicans are more likely to insist Trump was correct and he did defeat Bush, rather than consider he was wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A lot of people saw the NY case as tangentional and of no great importance. Turns out that LJ may put Trump Org out of business. It will at least considerably handicap him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So, with his company shut down, let's recap


    1) he threw Eric under the bus

    2) Eric pleaded the 5th over 500 times

    3) Eric has come out and said he had nothing to do the company

    4) Trump claimed that he could get whatever price he wanted from Saudi Arabia for assets. The judge pointed out that would probably be because of his position as president, i.e. buying influence. Isn't that what MAGA are accusing Hunter Biden of when selling his paintings?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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