Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I don't see many NATO countries who are looking for an excuse to get involved in this fight.

They're all happy to simply pay for a Russian defeat.

Putins Russia is a place where he is at the very apex of power, its arranged in such a way that the layers directly beneath him are totally dependent on him for their own survival. And they in turn exercise the same power on the layers beneath them. Only two things might change all that. (1) Putin gets killed. or (2) massive collapse of the very base of the pyramid, and the whole structure comes tumbling down. But until either of these events take place, for Putin, it's steady as she goes.....unfortunately. As for retaliation....Putin is going to continue his murderous war in Ukraine until he's stopped, once and for all. "Soft" responses from Ukraine will only trigger even more harsh responses from the monster they call Putin. No, the shoe needs to be on the other foot, Its Putin who now needs to choose his targets carefully because of the Ukraine response. And Its coming to that stage.

I listened to a few Cossack Gundi interviews and always wondered if many considered this option. They were scavenging and rationing supplies. If a bulk surrender the supplies are greater for lesser numbers. I'd say more attempted it but did not succeed.

There is a few reports of attempts to break through and pretty most got killed some did this was documented, it seems he had a very short stay going by that interview,

Oh, Zelensky knew all right that Putin was going to invade, but wanted to play it down and hopefully prevent it from happening, or at least delay it as long as possible. And it didn't help his case to be speaking about something before it had happened, especially when it was a war with Russia that was being discussed. Had he admitted that war was coming, Putin most likely would have used that statement as a Ukrainian declaration of war on Russia. But like the paddling duck, while Zelensky all was all peace on the surface, underneath, the feet were paddling like hell preparing for war. He gave Putin every chance not to invade. It was all a diplomatic play.

Sounds like fun in a nation with enough nuclear weapons to wipe out humanity a few times over.

I do wonder if the lack of will from NATO nations to defeat Russia has something to do with the possible breakdown of law and order and where the nukes end up in such a scenario. Let's hope they have a plan ready to go if it becomes a free for all if Putin is eventually over thrown.

I think we may already be at the stage whereby Russia can't give a commensurate response to Ukranian attacks, such as the one on the Navy Headquarters in Crimea. Most of their missiles are being shot down, whereas Ukraine have the ability to strike key Russian military targets and there is nothing Russia can seemingly do about it. If they were capable of mounting an effective response, Ukranian intelligence would now be feeling the heat in revenge attacks, instead the Russians managed to hit an hotel and warehouses storing grain in response . A weak and pathetic response

@nacho libre Russians managed to hit an hotel and warehouses storing grain in response . A weak and pathetic response.

A response that gets felt on the world's market each time causing grain prices to increase on top of already inflated prices,

NATO weapons kill a few Russians , Russia in turns burns tons of grain the world feels the effects,

Weak or calculated

Depending on how depleted the Russian military becomes in the current conflict, there may not be a feasible route to rebuilding Russia's military. Besides, you can order the gear, but you still need people to work it, preferably able-bodied young men. But you also need the same sort of people to work various jobs that need doing around Russia itself. Despite what a few people like to claim or hint, Russian manpower is not inexhaustible. And that's before you get to there being political will for renewed conflict, with chances being fairly good that if Putin is toppled, a big factor if it will be the Russian public being utterly fed up of the Ukrainian conflict and the problems it's causing for their society. And even then you would have the fact that Ukraine would obviously use the intervening years to stock up on AA and triple-fortifying their borders, making another invasion attempt an endeavour at least as costly to Russia as the current one.

This is why Russia cannot currently quit the conflict of their own volition. If they agree to retreat, they will never again be able to occupy as much of Ukraine as they currently do, which isn't a whole lot of the country and certainly nothing like meeting their ambition circa February 2022.

But we already celebrated his death ,

Can't trust the internet for anything these days 🤣🤣🤣

Was pointing out that even those who most needed to see it, like the Ukrainian government, often preferred to look away in the build up to the war. What seems blindingly obvious now was something many people just couldn't or didn't want to believe would happen.

Sokolov also back from the dead?

Makes you wonder about a lot of these claims. Of course anybody suggesting it's part of the propaganda war is a putinbot, of course.