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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,252 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Yeah maybe a Capital ship is more appropriate. I'm not sure secondary batteries were needed in-universe though, the Galaxy class had 12 phaser banks, with multiple beams available from each bank simultaneously. 2 photon tubes too, each capable of a 5 torpedo spread at the same time, with each torpedo independently targetable too....it was a monster of a ship for its era, whether going up against a Romulan Warbird or a Runabout. It should have been able to pulverize the antiquated BoP in Generations.

    That said, we've also seen what smaller ships can do in the right hands against full on battleships....




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    A capital ship is still a big ship, battlecruiser and above which, excluding aircraft carriers with no guns, still have secondary batteries. But on the subject of the Galaxy class the phasers do take a while to fire giving smaller ships a chance to evade which is why they were usually seen trading heavy blows with other big ships in those lovely DS9 scenes.

    If the Regent's flagship had secondary batteries those hull runs would have been much more difficult to pull off.

    Maybe it s best to think of that old Bird of Prey as an anti-hero ship which pulled off a great feat despite the odds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    You were on the ball with the Seven of Nine 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭corkie


    Doesn't work with the USA date format mm-dd-yyyy?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Good thing my post used text I wrote out then.



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  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Enterprise has 360 degree phaser sighting with several rapid fire phaser strips across the secondary hull.

    Also there are examples of the main strips in rapid fire mode. Think the tech soecs said that it used the full strip for max charge but can fire faster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    It has several phaser blind spots including directly behind* and approaching the deflector if the saucer is seperated. I don't think the main bank rapid-fire has ever been shown to be able to target something else, at least not at a significantly different angle.

    *Venture type variants excepted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Been listening to a TOS episode review podcast called Enterprise Incidents after seeing a recommendation somewhere (perhaps here?).


    I think it's well worth a listen, the over-the-top enthusiasm is endearing once you approach it in the right frame of mind.


    A completely different take on the subject matter compared to the irreverence of, say, The Greatest Generation.


    Their supplemental episode (24/25) about Wrath of Khan would be a good one to try as a taster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Y'all probably already follow this channel, but this might be the most seamless "in-take" yet...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So in Star Trek TNG Season 5 episode 5 Ethics The one where Worf gets hit by a barrel and his back gets crushed. Would you turn around if you seen a barrel coming towards you or stay the way you were and use your hands to push it off or if you had the time run?

    It made no sense for Worf to expose his back there except for the story. Really I think Worf would not have done that but instead put his arms out to defend himself from the barrel and maybe push it away from him.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,491 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The real weird part is how it damaged his back at all given the way we see all those barrels bounce around.

    Or how Starfleet don't have regulations on securing barrels high stacked on starships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes exactly. Very lame safety regulations there it seems.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    Starfleet Health and Safety is full of Tellarites who spend al their time arguing about the minutia of the rules instead of ensuring they're enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,774 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    That's pretty good. I don't like the characterisation of Hansen though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,491 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That was very good. The odd ship and some of the acting was terrible but for the most part it was quiet good.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,352 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    This was going through my mind for all the Hansen scenes.


    Other than that, it's very well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    The silent sitting there as he sends wave after wave of ships to their death did him dirty. He came off as quite concerned for others in his limited screen time in BoBW and the creator's pinned comment said he intentionally turned him into a badmiral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,352 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Yeah to be fair, I just took it as a limitation of the editing techniques they used. Also not like he had much choice. It was the lives of a few thousand Starfleet personnel who had signed up for a risky job vs the billions of lives on Earth alone. They were as good as dead anyway had the Borg taken Earth. Similar to how Riker was faced with the last ditch option of ramming the Enterprise into the Borg cube in a hopeless last stand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    The tactics were necessary but a hint of regret or some emotion would have been enough, other CGI'd characters got an extra facial expression or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,491 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Shaw scene was a nice nod. Probably too hard CGI wise to give him a longer scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,252 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Same, there's more than enough Badmiral trope stuff in Trek for a lifetime. Hansen seemed like one of the good ones, no need to have him portrayed as stubborn and foolish as shown. Otherwise it was phenomenal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That actually felt like it belonged in a TNG episode. Really well done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I feel they were a bit stuck there. They tried their best with the sound-bytes available from BOBW and in the end Hansen did lose this battle. It took Startfleet this loss at Wolf 359 to learn that fighting a Borg Cube required mobile attack wings which they ended up using in First Contact to much better effect, even before the Enterprise E turned up. In this earlier fight, they are using gradual waves, giving the Borg plenty of time to adapt.

    Old Fleet captains like Hansen had rarely encountered a threat that couldn't have been deteated by 40+ Federation Starships, and much like the Trekkie I was before watching BOBW, it was unthinkable for Starfleet to lose such a fight. He probably felt that the might of the fleet he assembled was enough....but then learned to his peril that the Borg were far more powerful than he banked on. So it doomed him and his fleet.

    The next part will likely involve Capt. Amasov leading the fleet in a fighting retreat. Janeway quotes his log when studying the Borg and USS Endevor might of been one of the few ships to survive the fight. It will be interesting to see how.

    Also interesting to note how in the last moments you can see the Cube starting up tractor beams on the disabled ships. Some people were assimilated, so this might have been when it happened.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    It's not the tactics it's the cold, uncaring expression. Even with the limited dialogue to scrape from a workaround is as easy as Hansen's comm officer relaying his orders to the next wing with his regrets at the almost certain, but necessary, outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,252 ✭✭✭Inviere


    That, and the bull headed refusal to adapt, while basically sending people to their death. Granted, as mentioned, there was very little to work with, but I just didn't enjoy that take on the battle.

    Sure, as @Rawr says, the tactics were outdated and ultimately there was little chance of them succeeding with them. The Hansen shown in BoBW though didn't appear to be the person that he's made out to be in this short though, so for me, it's a little incongruent. He could have just as easily be shown to be leading the retreat, and going out in a blaze of glory by saving people by sacrificing his ship etc. Not that either version would be 'correct', but at least it's have rang true with the character we seen on screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,491 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    In fairness the lad puts up a big "not canon" sign at the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    We could always ask him to do an alternate take on it with Hanson going out in a blaze of glory :)


    Or maybe someone else will at some stage.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭Evade


    Hansen leading a valiant rearguard would have been cool but logically that would mean there would have been ships other than the Enterprise still operational to make a last stand at Earth which couldn't happen because of what we saw in BoBW.



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