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The emergence of "Zombie" by The Cranberries as an Irish sporting anthem

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You are making derogatory comments about those who suffered huge mistreatment and suffered the loss of loved ones. If that's what you are then own it, don't hide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,055 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Huh?

    Don't remember the British Army planting bombs in shopping centres and killing children. You can't get any lower than that, and the PIRA went there by themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,738 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A rock anthem condemning all violence in NI would have been rather lazy and very predictable. One singling out the IRA for criticism was more provocative and 'out there', especially for a band from the Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The tiresome FG TDs were putting NI to the forefront during Brexit negotiations while the SF ones were doing god knows what



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,055 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The PIRA were not the good guys in any situation. They were thoroughly bad, rotten to the core.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You will need to do some basic reading up on the war, they planted bombs and killed numerous children. They teamed up with their loyalist buddies to have many more killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,738 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Indeed, Sinn Fein only became popular in NI after the Good Friday Agreement was signed and peace had become established. The idea that they and the IRA were the representatives of the nationalist community and that any criticism of them (i.e. Zombie) was an attack on the nationalist community is a total rewriting of what was actually going on in the 80s and 90s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    He was calling the victims families mopes. A derogatory, sneering term used by loyalists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭cms88


    That ''SweetIrishGhirl'' is one of the biggest fools i seen on Twitter, and that's saying something! She's always very fast to trow things out there but never happy when people don't agree with her. Something very comment when it comes to her like from the North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Really? For whom? It's the kind of rhetoric that I grew up with in the Republic. It is as lazy and as predicable as

    Seriously it suited them, if it didn't they'd be the first to put customs at the boarder.

    BTW I am not SF supporter.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Why did it suit them? I think it is a good example of a time when ROI parties have put NI interests first. The UK parties like SF (yes, SF are a UK party, they use the UK rules around donations rather than ROI rules as it suits them) didn't do anything for NI nationalists during Brexit negotiations, they just did what they always do when something needs to be done, disappear. We would have had a hard border if we had to rely on SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The only people who take offence to Zombie are the cretinous simpletons who supported the bombing of Warrington.

    I'm still laughing at them, trying to censor a song that correctly called out scumbags who were lower than Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    These thickos are all very quick to go abusive when the essential preposterousness of their position is called out. There's a cohort of self styled "woke" young people who are utterly blind to the hypocrisy of their positions. You can't genuinely claim to be woke if your default reaction is to whatabout or mock victims when the victims of Provo atrocities are brought up - because that's what the far right does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,055 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The British Army planted bombs???!??

    Of all the revisionist historians in all the revisionist histories, how did you come up with that one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    What makes it a great song in your view, apart from the fact that you seem to think it pisses republicans off ? It’s a dirge of a tune, annoyingly sung, with lyrics a sixth former would be embarrassed to produce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The country is a f***king mess in many ways and the big news the past few weeks has been around two songs.

    People need to cop the fck on and focus on the real issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    Are people really crying about this or is it just shinners and ra heads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    What's wrong with the lyrics? They're straight and to the point and they work. The fact that 30,000 Irish people immediately joined in when it came over the PA is proof it is a great song that connects on a visceral level.

    Are you one of these miserabilists that goes around analysing the lyrics She Loves You by Wonderwall by Oasis or I Can't Get No Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones going "pah, a primary school child could have written that?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    People objected to one of those songs because that song glorifies terrorists. Not unreasonable. Not remotely unreasonable.

    The same people who were rabid in their support for the singing of a song that glorifies terrorism are now having a hissy fit over a song which rightly castigated their murdering heroes.

    Both of these absurd spectacles demonstrate the reality of what Sinn Fein is - a cult that seeks to elevate the murderers of three year old children to sacred cow national hero status through a sustained campaign of Disneyfication and ethnonationalist propaganda masquerading as "anti-imperialist". These bastards were about as anti-imperialist as Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I've heard people last weekend interpreting it as everything from being pro-IRA to being pro-British army and everything in between.

    Dolores has said herself it's a humanitarian focused song promoting peace and exploring the sadness of experiencing the loss of innocent lives, it was never meant to carry a politically aligned message on Northern Ireland.

    Everything else is just people inserting their own politics into it and hearing what they want to hear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,738 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Also, the music video arguably shows the British Army in a bad light - armed soldiers patrolling the streets of Belfast with children playing in the background in what looks like a war zone. Are they there to keep the peace or as oppressors of the nationalist community? Nobody comes out of the song or the video looking good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    It’s an anti war song and a reminder that the IRA murdered 2 innocent children

    musically it’s a belter to play after a match -I was in Paris and I have never experienced such intensity plain to see in the recordings

    it’s here to stay !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The song carries an explicit message in regard to the Troubles. The song was written in response to Warrington. Implicit in the song is an opposition to all violence in the North - "their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns".

    Warrington was the event that prompted the writing of the song because it was done by bastards who were claiming to speak in OUR name, the name of the Irish people.

    A common narrative in Europe around Islamist massacres, rightly or wrongly, is that Muslims in general do not do enough to speak out against mindless nihilistic murder carried out by people claiming to speak in the name of Islam.

    Well here was an instance, like Bono's "**** the revolution", where a great Irish artist used their platform to speak out vehemently that these terrorists were NOT speaking for us, the Irish people, that we were bitterly opposed to this mindless nihilism.

    Was the singing of Zombie a political message by Irish rugby supporters? No, because the song just happened to be played in the stadium, and it's a n absolute banger of a tune to which we all know the words of the chorus at least.

    But the song does carry an explicitly anti-PIRA message and is a call for peace to break out, and we all know this, which is why the Shinners hate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    time for people to let it go and move on. happily the vast majority of people are, but there's a small rump of republicans who cannot.

    they were defeated militarily so in fairness i suppose it's difficult as they continue to wallow in bitterness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,583 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The **** delusion from some on this thread. Let's state a few facts:

    • The Provisional IRA were a paramilitary. Definition: an organization whose structure, tactics, training, and function are similar to those of a professional military, but which is not part of a country's official or legitimate armed forces.
    • They were not appointed, recruited or endorsed by the Irish state and did not represent the vast majority of the people of Ireland who were horrified by their terrorism, murders, kidnappings, violence and other assorted criminal activities. The popularity of the song at the heart of this "debate" reflects that horror.
    • While they may have viewed themselves as freedom fighters, the terrorist campaign waged by the Provisional IRA was not a war by any definition. Wars are conducted between sovereign nations. Paramilitaries may be engaged during war by governments (e.g. the Azov paramilitary battalion in the current war in Ukraine) but they can't declare wars as, by definition, they're not a legitimate armed force and don't have the mandate to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭cms88


    If she's doesn't get her way she's also very fast to play the gender card as well as always being the victim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    And riddled with British agents, possibly including Martin McGuinness, depending on who one believes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'These thickos are all very quick to go abusive'

    So are you. You call people "thickos" and "rabid" when you don't like their point of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    When somebody claims to have a position which is centred on the primacy of the victim and then abuses anybody who calls them out on their support for the mocking of Troubles victims, yes, that makes them a rabid thicko.

    As thick as thick can be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    There is a particular irony that someone who posts under the moniker of Musicrules finds the lyrics of a song condemning the murder of innocent children objectionable.



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