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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭staples7


    So from what I’m reading above, the suggestion is for those caught between day/night and impending installation of smart meters is:

    possibly go ahead with installation when time comes. But stay on day/night contract until it expires. Then hope that there’ll be better smart plans on offer?

    my only question is can we in fact stay on day night plan after smart meter is installed. I’d be ok with this. Contract would get me up to next summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The Smart D/N meter is functionally equivalent to the existing ones (plus the data logging bit which makes it smart) so yes you can stay on D/N tariffs for as long as you want

    The question is the suppliers, whether they'll stop offering discounts on those tariffs to push people over to smart plans

    There was some rumours that the CRU was forcing the suppliers to do exactly that, however I think it's BS as the head of the CRU famously said they don't control electricity tariffs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭electricus


    Based on my communication with them I honestly don't think the CRU controls or regulates anything energy related and the current minister isn't much better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭electricus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It can't. New RM108 smart meters can only be used for MCC02 Day Night, or MCC12/16 DST tariffs. It will not be able to give 24hr readings in a single unit so therefore is not compatible with MCC01, 24hr. This is as per the recent networks paper.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Current minister unless there's a revolt. But let's try to remain positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭jlang



    But presumably they would now be eligible for a Smart 24hr tariff that adds up the values from the appropriate time-slot registers (as opposed to single reading MCC01 metering). (Or applies the same price to each of them, then adds the totals. Not sure which way round the calculations work. Shouldn't matter.)

    I can see how customers might get annoyed if a smart 24hr tariff had a different unit price to a non-smart 24hr tariff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, if the supplier decided to offer a smart tariff on MCC12 or MCC16 that was a flat 24hr rate then yes this would be one way around it. It wouldnt be the same as the MCC01 rate for 24hrs, unless of course the supply company decided to offer it that way.

    It's doubtful that many folks would be in that boat though. Folks with day night meters (and thats who is getting the RM108 meters) generally want lower night rates. I'd happily take a tariff with 5c for 9 hours at night and 100c for daytime use for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭Niceday20


    I'm sorry but I am still confused on this.

    I am on a standard D/N meter and interested in moving to a smart EV tariff that has 06:00-02:00/02:00-06:00 time slots. Are you saying the RM108 meter, which you suggest is the smart meter for D/N tariffs, will not support a tariff based on those time slots?

    Am I also correct in interprting that the signal strength of the meter connection can define what tariffs can be supported?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭ablelocks


    i spoke (briefly) to Flogas today about the possibility of moving from a smart meter, with BWG 24 hour tariff, to the smart d/n meter so i could have the BWG day night tariff and was told it shouldn't be a problem. She did tell me i'd have to talk to the sales team, so it could be a different story when i get on to them...

    after that, i called esb networks to get some more info on the smart d/n meter (rm108), but got put through to TLI. The person i spoke to thought my current smart meter could be configured for d/n tarriff remotely and is going to check it with engineers. they hadn't heard about the new smart d/n meters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Any smart meter can support DST tariffs (like the smart EV tariff you mention.). The only thing that's different is the existing smart meters (RM106 and RM107) cannot do day/night tariffs, and the new smart meter RM108 cannot do 24hr tariffs.

    The meter signal strength sets what MCC you are on, and is only applicable if moving to a smart tariff. MCC12 is for sufficient connectivity and MCC16 is insufficient - although 12 and 16 could be the other way round, I'm not 100% which is which. We havent seen to date any difference in the tariffs available to either smart MCC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    I’m kind of edging that way, I got a letter from MDE installations this morning saying they will be changing the meter.

    I don’t have much to gain at present by changing as I don’t generally export.

    THOUGHTS - Seriously thinking of keeping the old day/night.

    Decision time !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    You can keep your D/N tariffs on the new smart meter as long as you want, so doesn't seem to be any reason not to change over

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,590 ✭✭✭✭con747


    MDE are very good if you want to postpone installation for a while while you make up you're mind. Just make sure you let them know you are not refusing the new meter you just want it postponed for a while. Hillary was the person I dealt with in the office and she was sound about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭obi604


    I see all the electric companies are cutting their prices by a whopping 10% etc

    feck all help when they went up by 100%

    question: I am on a day/night meter and have the Flogas BWG 33/15 offer. Even with all the 'cuts' by companies, I guess there is nothing better out there than what I am on now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    I think I have an ingrained suspicion of energy companies and being done out of my much coveted D/N meter - I really want to be believe it will all be ok and the new meter messes nothing up 👍🏻



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,335 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well I can guarantee the energy companies are trying to get as much money from you as possible, but luckily there's rules on what they can and cannot do

    Tbh, I get the feeling the good times on D/N meters are ending, the current rates aren't great compared to what was available a couple of years ago and it doesn't seem to be changing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Same. And I worked in an energy supply company for 3 years many moons ago so I know how bad it can be from the inside, as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    Had to happen, don’t forget the golden years of free charging and few ev’s on the road 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I remember taking a trip in my new (to me) 2014 leaf in 2016 when I got it, to fast charge in all four provinces on the same day. Just because it was free. And, despite them all being SPOF chargers I didnt need to queue once!

    The good/bad auld days. When you chose between range limited washing machines like Leaf or Zoe, or megabucks Tesla which I didnt have the money for then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭handpref


    Brilliant ! Sums up the early days perfectly 🤣

    Gas, I only seen my written off 2014 leaf yesterday…crazy cross country runs with ‘SPOF’ indeed, baby onboard🙈

    There was a sound fella Leon on one of the fb groups back then who had to sleep in his car at a scp.

    I have a loan cupra born at the moment that’s saying 360km fully charged, it must be those early days being the reason why I feel much more comfortable with the 460 minimum displayed in the tour.

    Tesla envy was a big thing in 2014, the model s was the car of dreams. Id still love one, maybe il mothball the i3 once it passes 300,000km’s.

    I’m going to go with @con747 and defer the new meter for a few months 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,590 ✭✭✭✭con747


    I have the old school reversing meter and to be honest MDE have been brilliant postponing it 3 times 6 months per time for me since they first got in touch in April 2022 and said they will try to keep doing it until ESBN get on to them about it. I will have to decide at some stage what way to go though. 😖

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 FranoTheMano


    Hi folks. I am currently on a 24 hour meter and with Bord Gais. I am likely to purchase my first EV in the next 10 days. Is there any possible issues which might arise in getting a smart meter installed and how long would it typically take from once i request one?

    Thanks in advance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Don't get a smart meter, get an MCC02 day night meter. The smart meters generally only offer 2-4 hours of cheaper rate, which isnt enough to charge an EV, whereas the MCC02 day night meters offer 9 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 FranoTheMano


    Thanks for replying.

    Will I be able to get that though and if so how long would it take to have installed roughly?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    Could you submit higher readings and change to the most expensive provider to cash in a huge correction when final meter reading is taken?🤣

    😎



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